There's very little about WP I like now

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17 Apr 2019, 12:06 pm

i guess i am doing myself a favor by staying inside haven xD


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17 Apr 2019, 12:16 pm

I think "General Autism Discussion" is usually a good place to be as well as the Haven.

Very few political arguments occur there.

They mostly occur in the "News" and the "PPR" subforums.

Other sorts of arguments frequently occur in "Love and Dating."



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17 Apr 2019, 12:20 pm

The core mission of the site as I understand it is GAD and Coping with Life. The topical discussions are just for fun, and my advice for people who do not enjoy the PPR, is do not go to the PPR.

I think what MaxE touched upon in his post is a more delicate issue. People here have a range of disabilities. I'm on the mild end of the spectrum, and have a different set of problems and life experiences than people with more severe disabilities. In principle people should be able to realize "this person is much more disabled than I, my experience might not be applicable," but in practice this is not always the case.

I can see how the "Classicals" might feel like the "Aspies" don't understand them or their issues.


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17 Apr 2019, 12:24 pm

When I joined WP some years ago, I got quite scared by the attitudes of some people who wanted to decide who was autistic and who wasn't. I'm a woman who masks a lot, or at least I used to, and I got very worried about not understanding the unwritten rules of the forum...... yeah. Clearly there is such a thing as autistic culture. On some occasions I've seen new members get the social rules wrong and offend an older member. New members will sometimes have internalized bad attitudes about autism. I would like to give them time to get used to the place before criticizing them.

Also, IRL I see a huge difference between people who were diagnosed as children and us older people who just tumbled through life. Different topics, issues, ways of communicating. Sometimes the young have both better social skills and worse self esteem.

I don't post a lot because I'm very busy IRL, but I love WP. People have been very nice to me here. But I did notice that the one time I posted about a quite serious issue, it immediately attracted a troll. I was experienced enough that it didn't bother me, but something like that might bother someone younger and new to the forum.


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17 Apr 2019, 12:29 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
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If anything, Max, I find that most new members don't discuss Aspergers / Autism / Neurodiversity at all. They're above "high functioning" because they don't make reference to any developmental difficulties. They come here to rant about dating or politics or to be trolls. When you check their profile they don't have any diagnosis checked, and it seems this is not an oversight on their part.

The "decline" is because new people aren't discussing the spectrum, or topics associated with it in any way.


My first 3 years here were mostly spent in general autism discussion. But eventually i became worn out discussing the same things over and over, so I'm not there very often these days.

But I've noticed what you're talking about. Their posting history shows no posts about autism, no dx in profile etc.

However I think if this forum was autism discussion only, it would have fizzled out a long time ago.


I agree Ezra. I'm not saying that people should "only" talk about neuro topics. That would get old really fast. The problem is some people don't ever discuss autism at all, and they give no impression of being on the spectrum in any post.

I consider myself fairly new compared to the old guard, but during the past six months or so there has been a sharp change in the types of new members we attract. The ones who do mention autism in their greeting seem to vanish and the political / sex talk people stick around without a Dx. It seems they only want to troll.


Like I said, I've noticed it too and find it to be suspicious. Really I think these are probably sockpuppet accounts, rather than someone who is actually new at all.

What I meant is that even though the non-autism areas get trolled, I'm glad they are there.



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17 Apr 2019, 1:16 pm

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There are (still) quite a few sock-puppets around.

But I strongly disagree with the theory that trolling here is due to low(er) functioning. Some of the nastier posters I've seen were either undiagnosed or obviously high functioning, while historically we had some remarkable people who were lower functioning, non-verbal, institutionalised etc. And the few "problem" members who constantly take issue with more successful people are actually diagnosed with AS.

For reasons that I don't understand and are none of my business, some posters get in trouble very fast, sometimes due to what looks like a misunderstanding, while others seem to have developed a talent for walking the line, crossing it ever so often and getting away with it :?

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If anything, Max, I find that most new members don't discuss Aspergers / Autism / Neurodiversity at all. They're above "high functioning" because they don't make reference to any developmental difficulties. They come here to rant about dating or politics or to be trolls. When you check their profile they don't have any diagnosis checked, and it seems this is not an oversight on their part.

The "decline" is because new people aren't discussing the spectrum, or topics associated with it in any way.


Wow, I've been here for years and didn't realise that if you don't click a box to display your diagnosis publically it doesn't show in your profile 8O


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17 Apr 2019, 1:19 pm

BenderRodriguez wrote:
There are (still) quite a few sock-puppets around...
If you know who they are, then report them. Don't "Aid and Abet".



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17 Apr 2019, 1:21 pm

MaxE wrote:
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@ MaxE: You seem to be addressing two separate issues:

1. The "Aspie Privilege", when higher-functioning Aspies forget that many people with autism have more difficult lives due to their more severe ASD symptoms. This is similar to "First-World Privilege", and its concomitant "First-World Problems". Example: An Aspie might say something like "I thought I was going to have a meltdown while driving on my way to work today". While this situation might seem somewhat normal to an Aspie, a person with a more sever form of ASD might feel insulted because he or she never "almost" has a meltdown, never learned to drive, and never had a job.

2. The "Lost Validation", when previously-diagnosed Aspies sort of lost their sense of identity when Asperger's Syndrome was dropped as a separate diagnosis from ASD in DSM-V. Some of us can get re-evaluated, but others may not have the resources available to do so.

Am I correct?
@Fnord correct on both points, but my question is whether either has contributed to a "decline" in Wrong Planet?
Now THAT is hard to say. Just what is this alleged "decline" anyway? If it exists, has anyone quantified it, or is it all just subjective perception filtered through a haze of malaise?



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17 Apr 2019, 1:26 pm

Fnord wrote:
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There are (still) quite a few sock-puppets around...
If you know who they are, then report them. Don't "Aid and Abet".


I don't like to report without proof. I'm not sure if similar/identical style or writing, discussing the same subjects as the previous account, a strong preference for one sub-forum and other recurring patterns of behaviour and posting qualify as proof.


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17 Apr 2019, 1:36 pm

Sockpuppets are hard to prove. I've seen members post in a very similar writing style as me, and also very similar subjects and being anxious about the same sort of things, and even agreeing with what I post a lot of the time. Then I worry in case everyone will think that I'm a sockpuppet, and I'll get banned for it or something.


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17 Apr 2019, 1:43 pm

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Sockpuppets are hard to prove. I've seen members post in a very similar writing style as me, and also very similar subjects and being anxious about the same sort of things, and even agreeing with what I post a lot of the time. Then I worry in case everyone will think that I'm a sockpuppet, and I'll get banned for it or something.


You've been here for ages and people know you really well, I think you have nothing to fear...

On the other hand, when you see a new member with a very similar posting style to someone who recently got banned...


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17 Apr 2019, 1:58 pm

Fnord wrote:
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(what Fnord said)
@Fnord correct on both points, but my question is whether either has contributed to a "decline" in Wrong Planet?
Now THAT is hard to say. Just what is this alleged "decline" anyway? If it exists, has anyone quantified it, or is it all just subjective perception filtered through a haze of malaise?
The "decline" is whatever the OP was complaining about. I hope that explains it!


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17 Apr 2019, 2:01 pm

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...The "decline" is because new people aren't discussing the spectrum, or topics associated with it in any way.
Ironic since when I first joined I often posted on topics related to my self-diagnosed AS but then began to feel that, to know what I'm talking about, I would need a diagnosis. So I ended up spending more time on "off-topic" fora.


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17 Apr 2019, 11:06 pm

I'd say about 90% of topical forums started back around the time as this one, when they were all the rage, have died off. They were already in sharp decline when I got into them back in 2013. This forum is doing remarkably well for 2019. It's one of the few survivors. I'm still able to spend hours on it, which I find pretty remarkable.



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17 Apr 2019, 11:21 pm

BenderRodriguez wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
Sockpuppets are hard to prove. I've seen members post in a very similar writing style as me, and also very similar subjects and being anxious about the same sort of things, and even agreeing with what I post a lot of the time. Then I worry in case everyone will think that I'm a sockpuppet, and I'll get banned for it or something.


You've been here for ages and people know you really well, I think you have nothing to fear...

On the other hand, when you see a new member with a very similar posting style to someone who recently got banned...


I remember that you recently posted something that sounded so much like stuff I have written, I was thinking of making a joke about us being the same person. There's a lot of people who share similar views of things that sound alike to me. It's inevitable.



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17 Apr 2019, 11:40 pm

Fnord wrote:
@ MaxE: You seem to be addressing two separate issues:

1. The "Aspie Privilege", when higher-functioning Aspies forget that many people with autism have more difficult lives due to their more severe ASD symptoms. This is similar to "First-World Privilege", and its concomitant "First-World Problems". Example: An Aspie might say something like "I thought I was going to have a meltdown while driving on my way to work today". While this situation might seem somewhat normal to an Aspie, a person with a more sever form of ASD might feel insulted because he or she never "almost" has a meltdown, never learned to drive, and never had a job.

2. The "Lost Validation", when previously-diagnosed Aspies sort of lost their sense of identity when Asperger's Syndrome was dropped as a separate diagnosis from ASD in DSM-V. Some of us can get re-evaluated, but others may not have the resources available to do so.

Am I correct?


I was told it’s still my official diagnosis as they won’t re-evaluate people, they just won’t give future people the diagnosis of aspegers


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