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06 Jan 2018, 4:51 pm

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I think he needs a place to talk to people. That place is WP.

I don't think he should be "banned" from asking for help. But I do believe he should show evidence of his trying to help himself, so that people will be more willing to complement what he does himself. Not by uprooting their lives, but by providing advice through the forum format. I don't believe people should uproot themselves to help him.

His best situation would be a situation where he has both medical and psychological supports, and freedom of movement.


He needs to stay at that center and keep things limited. Forget college, forget storing his stuff (burn it like goldfish says), get a computer and learn computer literacy. He may have to play with it. And, do some exercise. And quit going to McDonalds and don't leave the facility.



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06 Jan 2018, 4:54 pm

I think he needs at least mementos related to his recently-departed brother. Like photos, for example.

I understand why he feels strongly about his brother's stuff.



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06 Jan 2018, 4:57 pm

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So you don't see a problem with him using this forum to try getting some autistic person to become personally physically involved in his personal affairs outside of this forum?


I think it is a moral obligation for those who can help to help those who can't do for themselves. Our nation supposedly has Christian values. Didn't the Bible to say to give a coat to those who don't have one?

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There's a lot of homeless people in my town who need help, should I start handing them cards directing them to go to WP to start asking for it?


If you're in a position to help then you have a moral obligation to help. If you're not, then you don't have the obligation.


And what if some autistic person here feels morally obligated to try giving him hands on support? He's not the only one here capable of making bad decisions. So what happens then? When a mentally disabled individual on this forum decides it's their job to intervene?



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06 Jan 2018, 4:58 pm

He can academically, but not physically, handle college. He's bright enough, but not healthy enough.



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06 Jan 2018, 5:01 pm

If that happens, we have to strongly dissuade that person from making the wrong decision.

Actually, this has not happened in the past. He has been helped by people--but by people who were not mentally-challenged. These people had the ability to make the right choices,



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06 Jan 2018, 5:05 pm

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If that happens, we have to strongly dissuade that person from making the wrong decision.


That's fixing the barn door after the cow escaped. How are we supposed to know what's going on via PM for instance? More than once ASS-P has asked people to PM him to start setting things up to provide hands on help for him.

What we need to do is strongly dissuade ASS-P from putting someone in that situation to began with.



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06 Jan 2018, 5:12 pm

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So you don't see a problem with him using this forum to try getting some autistic person to become personally physically involved in his personal affairs outside of this forum?


I think it is a moral obligation for those who can help to help those who can't do for themselves. Our nation supposedly has Christian values. Didn't the Bible to say to give a coat to those who don't have one?

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There's a lot of homeless people in my town who need help, should I start handing them cards directing them to go to WP to start asking for it?


If you're in a position to help then you have a moral obligation to help. If you're not, then you don't have the obligation.


And what if some autistic person here feels morally obligated to try giving him hands on support? He's not the only one here capable of making bad decisions. So what happens then? When a mentally disabled individual on this forum decides it's their job to intervene?


I said those who can help. We're in no position to help.



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06 Jan 2018, 5:12 pm

People aren't going to PM him unless they talk to him in the thread first.

People on this Site are not that trusting--trust me.



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06 Jan 2018, 5:13 pm

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He can academically, but not physically, handle college. He's bright enough, but not healthy enough.



Agreed my friend



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06 Jan 2018, 5:18 pm

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EzraS wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
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So you don't see a problem with him using this forum to try getting some autistic person to become personally physically involved in his personal affairs outside of this forum?


I think it is a moral obligation for those who can help to help those who can't do for themselves. Our nation supposedly has Christian values. Didn't the Bible to say to give a coat to those who don't have one?

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There's a lot of homeless people in my town who need help, should I start handing them cards directing them to go to WP to start asking for it?


If you're in a position to help then you have a moral obligation to help. If you're not, then you don't have the obligation.


And what if some autistic person here feels morally obligated to try giving him hands on support? He's not the only one here capable of making bad decisions. So what happens then? When a mentally disabled individual on this forum decides it's their job to intervene?


I said those who can help. We're in no position to help.


And what if an autistic person doesn't realize that and decides to get personally involved anyways?

Do you know I myself started coming up with plans to become personally involved, until my cousin reasoned with me?



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06 Jan 2018, 5:21 pm

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People aren't going to PM him unless they talk to him in the thread first.

People on this Site are not that trusting--trust me.


Really. What about the fact that autistic people get taken advantage of all the time because they are too trusting and too willing to help?

I've seen tons of posts here where someone talks about how gullible they are, you have too.



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06 Jan 2018, 5:23 pm

Then we need people like your cousin, then.

Even if a person wanted to help, I doubt that 90% or more of the people here COULD help in an extreme sense, should they have the desire.

They would not be able to afford flights to where he is, nor be able to afford to live there.

I know a few people who REALLY wanted to help---but they KNEW it would be impossible.



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06 Jan 2018, 5:29 pm

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Then we need people like your cousin, then.


No what we need to do is nip the problem in the bud, so I don't need my cousin to intervene in the first place.

Why do you keep going on and on with this?

It needs to stop from the source ie ASS-P, not my cousin. ASS-P needs to stop creating a situation. Why do you keep enabling him instead of just agreeing that he needs to knock it off?



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06 Jan 2018, 5:32 pm

The Mods could do that, actually.

I'm not "enabling" the guy at all.

I'm just giving my opinion on the matter.

Of course, if gets out of hand, users could put pressure on him.

And they have--and it's been effective.



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06 Jan 2018, 5:36 pm

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The Mods could do that, actually.

I'm not "enabling" the guy at all.

I'm just giving my opinion on the matter.


You keep coming up with any kind of solution other than ASS-P ceasing to solicit unreasonable help.

If he hears from you, me and anyone else he needs to stop then he'll probably stop.

The way you keep arguing against this and beating around the bush, doesn't send the right kind of message.



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06 Jan 2018, 5:38 pm

People aren't that stupid here.

Somebody here had, about a year ago, see up a "Go Fund" account for ASS-P. No one comtrbuted to it.