Who here likes me and still wants to be friends?

Page 20 of 30 [ 471 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 ... 30  Next

Teach51
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Jan 2019
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,808
Location: Where angels do not fear to tread.

23 Aug 2020, 2:45 am

cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
..Looks like we'll be spending more time there from now on.


Saying goodbye as well Bric?


I'll still be here...But knowing the owner's opinions of those who hold differing views, I now realise it's not intended to be a place to discuss differing opinions, or to try and help people understand the opposite side (or central) position in discussions, as it appears this is not wanted by him.


I think most of us accept conservative views should be allowed to be posted here, it provides balance, many if us on the left do go overboard sometimes.


Yes. We must never forget that accusations and insults are permanently embedded in our minds, they are received by an actual person not just thrown into space.
Why on earth would anyone come to a support group only to be "dismembered" by a mob for holding a different view? It's unthinkable.


_________________
My best will just have to be good enough.


AuroraBorealisGazer
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 May 2015
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,082
Location: Fluidic Space

23 Aug 2020, 2:47 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Sly is being attacked on many fronts.

I believe he thinks the world is like a Dirty Harry movie. Unfortunately, a few folks here have reinforced this impression in him.

I don’t believe he is a racist. I believe he needs to meet, in person, more diversified types of people. I was a racist until I actually started hanging out with “minorities.”

I believe he made some bad analogies because he felt boxed into a corner. I’ve done the same thing in the past. I said misguided things which did not reflect what I truly felt about things.

I feel like all this is biting him in the butt, like it bit me in the butt when I said and did stupid things out of anger, confusion, and feeling boxed in.

Please folks, get to know the real Sly. I called someone the N-word at age 10, and got punched in the face. That, and a little thought, made me realize that I made a grievous mistake in calling that guy the N-word.

This is an autism site. People with autism make this mistake all the time. They do and say misguided things. Whoever hasn’t, cast the first stone.

Please allow Sly to say his piece.


Kraftie you've done a good job of expressing what I've been trying to for the past hour. I too have been accused of things because I didn't understand the connotions or nuances behind a word/reference. It's been very upsetting to watch this unfold. I'm a firm believer in not pointing fingers and calling berating someone for their words, without calmly discussing it with them.



cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

23 Aug 2020, 2:48 am

Brictoria wrote:
So a statement that he didn't think they were "the first time around", but then stating "but certainly if they vote for him in the 2020 election now that he's made it clear that he believes in those ideals" certainly comes across as stating he believes they are...No mention of how they only "tolerate" those things.


Which is why Alex used the word "ideals" because Trump voters have "ideals", probably not the best idea to put it in the same sentence as "white supremacy" but I don't see him using the label. I am sure Alex has family who are Trump voters so he wouldn't say that.



cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

23 Aug 2020, 2:49 am

Teach51 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
..Looks like we'll be spending more time there from now on.


Saying goodbye as well Bric?


I'll still be here...But knowing the owner's opinions of those who hold differing views, I now realise it's not intended to be a place to discuss differing opinions, or to try and help people understand the opposite side (or central) position in discussions, as it appears this is not wanted by him.


I think most of us accept conservative views should be allowed to be posted here, it provides balance, many if us on the left do go overboard sometimes.


Yes. We must never forget that accusations and insults are permanently embedded in our minds, they are received by an actual person not just thrown into space.
Why on earth would anyone come to a support group only to be "dismembered" by a mob for holding a different view? It's unthinkable.


Its important not to take things personally



funeralxempire
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 40
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 33,072
Location: Right over your left shoulder

23 Aug 2020, 2:50 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Sly is being attacked on many fronts.

I believe he thinks the world is like a Dirty Harry movie. Unfortunately, a few folks here have reinforced this impression in him.

I don’t believe he is a racist. I believe he needs to meet, in person, more diversified types of people. I was a racist until I actually started hanging out with “minorities.”

I believe he made some bad analogies because he felt boxed into a corner. I’ve done the same thing in the past. I said misguided things which did not reflect what I truly felt about things.

I feel like all this is biting him in the butt, like it bit me in the butt when I said and did stupid things out of anger, confusion, and feeling boxed in.

Please folks, get to know the real Sly. I called someone the N-word at age 10, and got punched in the face. That, and a little thought, made me realize that I made a grievous mistake in calling that guy the N-word.

This is an autism site. People with autism make this mistake all the time. They do and say misguided things. Whoever hasn’t, cast the first stone.

Please allow Sly to say his piece.


He didn't call anyone the N word. This is entirely different. Sly used the word in an analogy, showing that it was a hurtful and racist term. He did not apply it to any person. It has nothing to do with him thinking the world is a movie, because he doesn't use that word in his regular speech. EVER. I dare anyone to find an incident where he used that word against a person on this site. He used an analogy. People used hateful metaphors toward him, and they were allowed to be posted for 11 weeks in full view. That same person was banned from AF for using the N word themselves, within a week of joining.

Sly does not deserve this. If he was such a racist White Supremacist, I'd like to see the reports that were filed on his BLM posts and the bans that were issued for his "racism" or "white supremacy". There are none.


I got banned from AF for posting 'n-word music'. That's not the same as using the word.

I don't report anyone for anything, so saying a post wasn't reported doesn't mean much. I don't think every post with a racist opinion warrants a warning or any action, that doesn't mean it isn't showing sympathy for actual white supremacists.

If you're angry you can't bully me for saying the truth, get over it. The fact that you're very angry doesn't make you right. You attacked me needlessly (in defence of Sly) for speaking the truth. You guys have tried to get the mods involved and it failed because I wasn't in the wrong. Get over it and move on with your lives. No one wants you to leave but I'd appreciate if you'd stop bullying me.


_________________
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Real power is achieved when the ruling class controls the material essentials of life, granting and withholding them from the masses as if they were privileges.—George Orwell


kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

23 Aug 2020, 2:53 am

I’m advocating for Sly because I believe in fairness.

I’m not a conservative. Sly thinks I’m a total liberal.

But I believe everybody must have a voice.

If Sly apologizes for the analogy, would you all let bygones be bygones?



Brictoria
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Aug 2013
Age: 49
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,998
Location: Melbourne, Australia

23 Aug 2020, 2:55 am

cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
So a statement that he didn't think they were "the first time around", but then stating "but certainly if they vote for him in the 2020 election now that he's made it clear that he believes in those ideals" certainly comes across as stating he believes they are...No mention of how they only "tolerate" those things.


Which is why Alex used the word "ideals" because Trump voters have "ideals", probably not the best idea to put it in the same sentence as "white supremacy" but I don't see him using the label. I am sure Alex has family who are Trump voters so he wouldn't say that.


Saying you don't believe a person who supported another WAS "insert label" then adding "but now that the person being supported has shown they have those ideals" certainly comes across as indicating a belief that they now do think those supporters ARE "insert label"...



kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

23 Aug 2020, 2:58 am

I didn’t get any Mods involved. That’s not my style. I like to settle things “man to man” or “person to person.”

I’m speaking from my experience, which has, at times, been similar to Sly’s.

I believe most people voted for Trump because they’re Republicans, and they’ve always voted Republican—not because they’re racists and think Trump is a great guy. The same thing will happen in 2020.



funeralxempire
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 40
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 33,072
Location: Right over your left shoulder

23 Aug 2020, 3:01 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I’m advocating for Sly because I believe in fairness.

I’m not a conservative. Sly thinks I’m a total liberal.

But I believe everybody must have a voice.

If Sly apologizes for the analogy, would you all let bygones be bygones?


I've been consistently advocating to let bygones be bygones and think we should stop providing oxygen to this mess.

I don't care about the analogy and he doesn't need to apologize to me for it, that doesn't mean anything.

I'd appreciate an apology for using the mods as a weapon against me and trying to have me banned for saying something I never said, but I don't expect one because his ego's already wounded deeply and forcing him to lose face will only make that worse. I offered him an out yesterday before this shitstorm unfolded because I didn't want to see it and didn't think it would help anyone.

If a few posters would stop insisting that calling openly supporting white supremacists isn't what it is because well shucks, Sly is a swell guy then we can all move on. I don't want them driven out but I don't want to be labelled as a bully and attacked by them.


_________________
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Real power is achieved when the ruling class controls the material essentials of life, granting and withholding them from the masses as if they were privileges.—George Orwell


cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

23 Aug 2020, 3:06 am

Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
So a statement that he didn't think they were "the first time around", but then stating "but certainly if they vote for him in the 2020 election now that he's made it clear that he believes in those ideals" certainly comes across as stating he believes they are...No mention of how they only "tolerate" those things.


Which is why Alex used the word "ideals" because Trump voters have "ideals", probably not the best idea to put it in the same sentence as "white supremacy" but I don't see him using the label. I am sure Alex has family who are Trump voters so he wouldn't say that.


Saying you don't believe a person who supported another WAS "insert label" then adding "but now that the person being supported has shown they have those ideals" certainly comes across as indicating a belief that they now do think those supporters ARE "insert label"...


Its ambiguous at best bric, it would be hard going to make the accusation he's calling Trump voters racist but each to their own I guess.



cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

23 Aug 2020, 3:07 am

funeralxempire wrote:

I've been consistently advocating to let bygones be bygones and think we should stop providing oxygen to this mess.

I don't care about the analogy and he doesn't need to apologize to me for it, that doesn't mean anything..


Come to think of it has Alex asking anybody to apologise? this argument seems to have developed a life of its own.

People seeing pitchforks and lynchmobs?

From my perspective nobody needs to apologise



Brictoria
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Aug 2013
Age: 49
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,998
Location: Melbourne, Australia

23 Aug 2020, 3:11 am

funeralxempire wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I’m advocating for Sly because I believe in fairness.

I’m not a conservative. Sly thinks I’m a total liberal.

But I believe everybody must have a voice.

If Sly apologizes for the analogy, would you all let bygones be bygones?


I've been consistently advocating to let bygones be bygones and think we should stop providing oxygen to this mess.

I don't care about the analogy and he doesn't need to apologize to me for it, that doesn't mean anything.

I'd appreciate an apology for using the mods as a weapon against me and trying to have me banned for saying something I never said, but I don't expect one because his ego's already wounded deeply and forcing him to lose face will only make that worse. I offered him an out yesterday before this shitstorm unfolded because I didn't want to see it and didn't think it would help anyone.

If you never said the thing the moderators received a complaint about, then there was nothing to be worried about - People will only alert moderators to something that IS said (or implied), and ignore other reports...

funeralxempire wrote:
If a few posters would stop insisting that calling openly supporting white supremacists isn't what it is because well shucks, Sly is a swell guy then we can all move on. I don't want them driven out but I don't want to be labelled as a bully and attacked by them.

To some bigoted people, a "white supremecist" is anyone that isn't 100% behind BLM, or related organisations which only care about members of ONE race... A person who believes everyone should be treated the same, regardess of race, or who supports the aims of a group such as BLM but decries actions done under it's name or using it as a shield is labeled as a "white supremecist" by those deceitful (and probably racist) bigots, and is actually a victim of bullying, not a "white supremecist".



Last edited by Brictoria on 23 Aug 2020, 3:13 am, edited 1 time in total.

funeralxempire
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 40
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 33,072
Location: Right over your left shoulder

23 Aug 2020, 3:12 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I didn’t get any Mods involved. That’s not my style. I like to settle things “man to man” or “person to person.”


Mods are involved because they were contacted to demand I be punished. The mod who contacted me will likely back this (so long as they voluntarily respond...).

I don't ever involve them in anything. I think I've been clear about this. This escalated way more than I anticipated and not in the direction I first expected. Once I realized how things looked to be going I started offering Sly a chance to save face with me as the bad guy because I didn't anticipate how Alex would weigh in.


_________________
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Real power is achieved when the ruling class controls the material essentials of life, granting and withholding them from the masses as if they were privileges.—George Orwell


cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

23 Aug 2020, 3:14 am

Brictoria wrote:
To some bigoted people, a "white supremecist" is anyone that isn't 100% behind BLM, or related organisations which only care about members of ONE race...


I think after all the vandalism and social distance breaches nobody on WP is supporting BLM anymore Bric...do we even have AA members on this forum??

don't know where you get the 100% number from?



smudge
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Sep 2006
Age: 37
Gender: Female
Posts: 7,716
Location: Moved on

23 Aug 2020, 3:15 am

All I can see is that Alex overreacted to an analogy that sly posted on the other thread. I'm assuming there's lots I'm missing though.


_________________
I've left WP.


cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

23 Aug 2020, 3:16 am

Seems to have ignited passions