Can anyone teach me how to not care?

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04 Aug 2009, 4:50 am

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I really wish I were older, I really do. :cry:


^^^ your 666th post. pretty cool. you totally failed to notice 8)


I did notice,... afterwards. I was just waiting for someone else to point it out.

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a) you get drunk.
b) You smoke something, anything really.
c) Be more selfish and angry at the world, assume what is your fault is actually because that other jerk in the corner. That jerk just ruined your life, go punch his lights out!

Please note that if you do these things all the time, you will be a smartass and no body will like you. Do it on your own time when the people you actually care about aren't nearby. I wouldn't reccommend doing it at work. School's okay though, you're not getting paid.


I'm working on a.) but don't have any booze in my house, not enough to get drunk, anyway.
As for b.) I'm looking for that too. And what do you mean by ANYTHING. Can tobacco work? I'm old enough for that and it is legal. (But I have to fight back addiction, so I won't need one five times a day). And c.) actually got me my lights punched out! They are bigger, stronger, have bigger muscles and at least 100 lbs on me. And they are also bigger smartasses than I'll ever be (this was just a wish to be able to out-smartass them). Maybe it's smarter to combine them all, so if I get a beating, at least I won't feel it.


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It's easy to use emotional detatchment as a defense mechanism towards other people's feelings, so why not my own?


You have feelings no matter what, and you might realize that they're all good feelings.

I know they will always be there, but can't I just not care about them?



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04 Aug 2009, 2:46 pm

Why not try helping yourself for once, instead of expecting everyone to just give you all the answers.


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05 Aug 2009, 2:05 am

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Why not try helping yourself for once, instead of expecting everyone to just give you all the answers.


I would, but sadly, I am too naive. :(



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05 Aug 2009, 7:37 am

I hate being young... I just want to age rapidly or just DIE. :cry:



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05 Aug 2009, 9:37 am

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I hate being young... I just want to age rapidly or just DIE. :cry:


you are The weirdest person in here :] you dont want any of that stuff. i assure you, if you found yourself in your very own apartment you'd totally benefit from youth and everything.

why do you think youll be happier or less emotional or whatever old?

look at all the 40+ people in here still complaining.

cant you go scouting caravan places, and simply take over an abandoned caravan? :O :D


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05 Aug 2009, 12:28 pm

Fickle_Pickle wrote:
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Why not try helping yourself for once, instead of expecting everyone to just give you all the answers.


I would, but sadly, I am too naive. :(

This is not an excuse to do nothing. Don't you think everybody starts out naive? People are not born with a preprogrammed notion of how not to care. They have to learn it. Some people just learn it more quickly than others.

Again, you are worrying about making a mistake, you want to know the "correct answer" up front so that you will get it right the first time you try it. What you don't seem to understand is that you'll understand a heck of a lot more about what you're doing by making the mistakes rather than "getting it right the first time". Yes it's a lot easier for someone to just feed you the answers, but you won't know why the answer is what it is, you'll only know that it works somehow. But if you rely on this, when the situation changes ever so slightly you will realize that your correct answer is suddenly incorrect and you'll again be clueless what to do next. That isn't helpful to you in the end, so we would not be doing you any favors by just telling you the answer. This is even assuming we could convey the answer in a coherent way that would even make sense to you, or that you would accept... because *sigh* everytime I've tried to tell my AS friend the answers in a direct upfront way he never accepts them, even when he asks for them. Sure, he says years later that I was right, but from my point of view it sucks for him to hate me all those years simply because I tried to help him when he "asked" for it.

Stop worrying and self-pitying and just go do something. If there's anybody you look up to, in your family or a friend or even a fictional character on a TV show or book or something, copy them, try to figure out more about them and what they do and how they see things in the world. Then afterwards you can look back and see what were the benefits and drawbacks with their view of the world. Then do it again with another person. Wash, rinse, repeat. Just keep moving, and don't worry about whether you're moving forwards or backwards. That's what I did... and that's what many of us do. In order for us to walk, we have to risk stumbling and falling. Welcome to adult life! If you don't like it, well you still have the option of staying at your parents' place and living under their rules and staying in an environment that you seem to find so upsetting, but that's the price you pay for not standing up on your own and taking care of your own needs. There is always a price for convenience. Feel like being stuck between a rock and a hard place? Yup, just like the rest of us adult Aspies.


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05 Aug 2009, 4:59 pm

ZEGH8578 wrote:
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I hate being young... I just want to age rapidly or just DIE. :cry:


you are The weirdest person in here :]


Of course I am. In addition to being Aspie, I have alot of emotional disorders and I'm clinically insane. And I don't want to age that much, I just want to be past the age of 21.

It's still a shame I haven't found a slave master yet. Like I said before, I can just troll the GAD to get the licking I deserve.

Not to mention, in addition, I might be anti-feminist. I envy those independent women. I am stalking somebody to learn more about them, but I don't understand them and why they think war is funny. I'd like to know that.



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06 Aug 2009, 10:58 pm

Oh I totally forgot, you could go to the doctor, get diadnosed for depression, and get some pills. Nothing is easier than artificial happiness except for dirty table dancers. Or if you care enough about your body, you could look into natural cures depression. Try those natural sunlight lamp things that they use for seasonal affective disorder. Some vitamin D would perk you up a bit.



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07 Aug 2009, 7:52 am

Stinkypuppy wrote:
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Daemonic-Jackal wrote:
Why not try helping yourself for once, instead of expecting everyone to just give you all the answers.


I would, but sadly, I am too naive. :(

This is not an excuse to do nothing. Don't you think everybody starts out naive? People are not born with a preprogrammed notion of how not to care. They have to learn it. Some people just learn it more quickly than others.

Again, you are worrying about making a mistake, you want to know the "correct answer" up front so that you will get it right the first time you try it. What you don't seem to understand is that you'll understand a heck of a lot more about what you're doing by making the mistakes rather than "getting it right the first time". Yes it's a lot easier for someone to just feed you the answers, but you won't know why the answer is what it is, you'll only know that it works somehow. But if you rely on this, when the situation changes ever so slightly you will realize that your correct answer is suddenly incorrect and you'll again be clueless what to do next. That isn't helpful to you in the end, so we would not be doing you any favors by just telling you the answer. This is even assuming we could convey the answer in a coherent way that would even make sense to you, or that you would accept... because *sigh* everytime I've tried to tell my AS friend the answers in a direct upfront way he never accepts them, even when he asks for them. Sure, he says years later that I was right, but from my point of view it sucks for him to hate me all those years simply because I tried to help him when he "asked" for it.

Stop worrying and self-pitying and just go do something. If there's anybody you look up to, in your family or a friend or even a fictional character on a TV show or book or something, copy them, try to figure out more about them and what they do and how they see things in the world. Then afterwards you can look back and see what were the benefits and drawbacks with their view of the world. Then do it again with another person. Wash, rinse, repeat. Just keep moving, and don't worry about whether you're moving forwards or backwards. That's what I did... and that's what many of us do. In order for us to walk, we have to risk stumbling and falling. Welcome to adult life! If you don't like it, well you still have the option of staying at your parents' place and living under their rules and staying in an environment that you seem to find so upsetting, but that's the price you pay for not standing up on your own and taking care of your own needs. There is always a price for convenience. Feel like being stuck between a rock and a hard place? Yup, just like the rest of us adult Aspies.


Oh, but I will be making MORE mistakes than the average person. I don't have time for learning from my mistakes. I'm 18 already! I should have made more in my younger years and learned from those already! Unless, I can speed up time somehow, because I'm TIRED of learning things so late!
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Oh I totally forgot, you could go to the doctor, get diadnosed for depression, and get some pills. Nothing is easier than artificial happiness except for dirty table dancers. Or if you care enough about your body, you could look into natural cures depression. Try those natural sunlight lamp things that they use for seasonal affective disorder. Some vitamin D would perk you up a bit.


I lost count of how many times someone has suggested anti-depressants. I've been diagnosed for depression TWICE! No matter how many times anyone says that I do, I will always decline it. All they made me was hyper and annoying, then nauseous. Then I got angry, so no anti-depressants for me... ever... again. I'd like a drug that would make it IMPOSSIBLE to be sad or angry during it's effects. And I have NO idea how I'm going to get such a thing as a lamp for SAD. I could try sunbathing. As a bonus, it will take the supple qualities of my skin away, making me look physically older! :)

Vitamin D? I guess I need to get addicted to milk.



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07 Aug 2009, 9:08 am

Stick an icepick in your amygdala (you'll have to learn up on psychosurgery if you wish to do it correctly). Should do the trick.



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07 Aug 2009, 9:37 am

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Stick an icepick in your amygdala (you'll have to learn up on psychosurgery if you wish to do it correctly). Should do the trick.


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I have a feeling everyone is joking me. They're not saying I should actually do something, they're just saying it hypothetically. They're laughing at how I take their ridiculous advice and I'm begging for instructions on how to carry it out and they give me more satiracal suggestions, then laugh some more. But hey :D that's what I'm for! I'm a buttmonkey, my pain is your pleasure.



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07 Aug 2009, 10:14 am

Fickle_Pickle wrote:
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Stick an icepick in your amygdala (you'll have to learn up on psychosurgery if you wish to do it correctly). Should do the trick.


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I have a feeling everyone is joking me. They're not saying I should actually do something, they're just saying it hypothetically. They're laughing at how I take their ridiculous advice and I'm begging for instructions on how to carry it out and they give me more satiracal suggestions, then laugh some more. But hey :D that's what I'm for! I'm a buttmonkey, my pain is your pleasure.


but you ARE funny :]
you always come back to make your desperate posts as well. btw what do you mean find a slave master?
sometimes you sound a bit.... indiana-jones ish. you see very mission-oriented :D


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08 Aug 2009, 1:37 am

You asked how not to care.

Drugs are only transient, and CBT won't get you anywhere as since you care, there's no way for you not to without chemical or structural changes to your brain.

Destruction of the amygdala should make you not care, and it's relatively safe surgery if you want to go ahead with it.

I'm serious, not joking (well, I wasn't serious when I said to do it yourself).



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08 Aug 2009, 4:43 am

for me the ability to completely emotionally detach myself and feel numb when i wanted to came slow. not because it hard, but because it took me a while to realize i could simply force myself to not feel anything.

and even though i can, and use it's void as a shield, i'd rather not.
i can't feel the negative feelings while practicing such a mental technique but the adverse effects it has on my psyche and how i otherwise feel nonemotionally make me reluctant to use it other than to just detach myself long enough to cool down for short periods. just so the negative feeling isn't allowed to snowball and spiral out of control and affect my actions in such a way that i'd regret. it's not often i have to use it for that. and unless you'd like to slowly go insane, i wouldn't recommend constant use.

sarcasm is an intellectual, bitter, and subtle humor.
you can't get good at it so much by practice. although it does help if you're somewhat angry, annoyed, or otherwise frustrated on some level while at the same time trying not to show it (and not succeeding very well.) at which point it has a natural tendency to leak from your body in the form of comments that while technically show civility in that they aren't insulting at face value, are obviously false opposite statements made in mockery or contempt in a blatantly rude, or opposing that, a subtle manner.
but that's just when it's easiest.

once again, not recommended. but can be quite funny to the outside observer.


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10 Aug 2009, 7:09 am

I think now I should just give up. After all, I am considered a freak among my family since I am right-handed and everyone else is a lefty. They are overly-logical left handed people while I am the intuitive righty. My older sister calls reffers to my intuition indirectly as "asspull". But now that I know it, it's their problem they're so desperate to bully and belittle me while they think they are doing something right. I can at least fall in love with a jerk/smartass because I learned to get sexual pleasure from being belittled by having it happen to me so much.



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10 Aug 2009, 10:11 am

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I think now I should just give up. After all, I am considered a freak among my family since I am right-handed and everyone else is a lefty. They are overly-logical left handed people while I am the intuitive righty. My older sister calls reffers to my intuition indirectly as "asspull". But now that I know it, it's their problem they're so desperate to bully and belittle me while they think they are doing something right. I can at least fall in love with a jerk/smartass because I learned to get sexual pleasure from being belittled by having it happen to me so much.


come on, why that attitude of defeat?
wat have anyone ACTUALLY done to defeat you? sticks and stones, you know?
your still fit for fight. i wish there was a way for you to move out. move out move out move out. seriously. move out :(


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