I've been scammed out of $27K

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15 Aug 2010, 2:47 pm

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... all the investors got a message ...
... and the website went down.


I can see how someone could get caught in that kind of snare, and I recently heard a similar story where one man lost something like $350,000.00.

Maybe you could now earn a few dollars as an investigative advisor for others?

Just be sure to always tell them this:

Never place any of your holdings into the hands of others unless/until you are at least willing to never again hold them yourself.


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15 Aug 2010, 2:51 pm

That was very unfortunate.

Did you have contact with the others in the group? Some negative thought on all this makes me think they could have been working as a team to lure you. But As you said this Jako was highly respected on the site, so it leaves me with a blank.

Maybe he ran in to some trouble being positioned in Hong Kong, maybe he was doing something illegal.

I got nothing... but i hope you're doing better and knowing that money is money and never anything to go crazy over.

I hope he resurfaces and contacts you.


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15 Aug 2010, 3:38 pm

Either he's a con artist adept at the long-con, or he was actually a legitimate trader but he lost it all somehow.


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15 Aug 2010, 5:41 pm

This kind of scam is huge business.

eg. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... _bqFgJCFkM

I guess you live and learn and perhaps try not to beat yourself up too much for your mistake, since many other people have made the same mistake. Put the blame on the person who deliberately lied to people he was supposedly friends with in order to make money and/or save face. He is the one who should be feeling ashamed right now.



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16 Aug 2010, 4:07 am

I read a lot of the posts on your link. Looks like he took in a lot of people at one time.
As a group, getting the authorities involved may prove beneficial.
Don't beat your self up too much, he was slick and you are not alone.
When I got sucked into 'Financial Freedom' seminar, I lost $5000 and what they were doing is legal (is why i don't like mormans). Expensive lessons, but I did learn.


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16 Aug 2010, 4:40 am

I've read about these things before. Try contacting the financial authorities and the police.



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16 Aug 2010, 4:15 pm

Fortunately Hongkong has a very well developed securities regulator, police force and anti-corruption agency.

I recommend that you file detailed complaints with both the police and the SFC.

Hong Kong Police: http://www.police.gov.hk/ppp_en/contact_us.html

Securities and Futures Commission: http://www.sfc.hk/sfc/html/EN/aboutsfc/ ... ities.html


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17 Aug 2010, 7:04 am

So was your guy feeling that this was a legit fund that went broke or a ponzi scheme that got shut down?



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17 Aug 2010, 7:57 am

yikes. you bought yourself an interesting story to tell the grandkids?



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17 Aug 2010, 10:41 am

n4mwd wrote:
So was your guy feeling that this was a legit fund that went broke or a ponzi scheme that got shut down?


Right now I'm more inclined to believe the latter. Some of us investors got together and we've contacted the HK police and other authorities. I don't have high hopes, but maybe there's still at least a small change of getting the money back.



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17 Aug 2010, 10:42 am

OneStepBeyond wrote:
yikes. you bought yourself an interesting story to tell the grandkids?


LOL. An interesting story and a costly one at that.



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17 Aug 2010, 11:28 am

I suggest to send your story to this poor user Seanmw before he falls for a similar scam, seriously.



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17 Aug 2010, 11:40 am

alexptrans wrote:
Thanks for all the replies, guys.

This is what happened:
A few years ago I became interested in learning to trade the Forex (foreign exchange) market. I found a website called Forex Factory, probably one of the largest online communities dedicated to trading. After a few months on that site, I noticed a member (called "jacko") was almost universally praised as one of the best traders around, and he was offering a year of mentorship for the cost of 500 dollars. So after some time I decided to go for it, sent the guy his 500 dollars, and I joined the group of people he was mentoring at that time. He seemed like a really great mentor, and I recouped my initial 500 dollars and then some by following his advice and trades. He would always answer any question I had about trading, and we communicated mostly by e-mail and SMS.

About a year later, he told all members that he was starting a "managed fund". A managed fund is a pool of money traded by the fund manager. So if the fund manager makes a 2 percent profit on a trade, all the people in the fund make a 2 percent profit on their investment. I didn't join the fund at first, but it all looked really legitimate - he would notify us about his trades in advance and there was never any suspicion that he was faking his results. So about half a year later I did join the fund (I wired 27K to the company, which was based in Hong Kong), and for the next year and a half the fund "grew" at about 30-40 percent a year. One time I took about 7 thousand dollars of my own money out of the fund and wired it back to my account, just to see that it was ok. Since there were no problems and I got the money I asked for, I wired it back to the fund. You have to understand that to all of us he was more like a friend - we would e-mail him and SMS him, and he would always answer us kindly and politely.

Well, a couple of weeks ago all the investors got a message saying the company was shutting down and that each investor would be getting back their money in late July - early August. By early August all communications with "jacko" and with his company ceased, the company cell phones could not be reached anymore, and the website went down. That's pretty much it. He hasn't been answering our e-mails ever since. Some people invested a lot more (some even as much as 80-100K).

Here's the thread on Forex Factory where you can learn more, if you want:
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread. ... 6&page=748

This links to the first page when people started suspecting something was wrong.


That's a serious fraud, there are more than one victim, maybe the police can do something about it.



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17 Aug 2010, 12:07 pm

I know you feel like an idiot, but these guys can scam just about anyone. Contact a lawyer and your state's attorney general's office. People often assume that there's nothing to be done in these cases, but sometimes there are ways to recoup your losses, but there may be a statute of limitations involved, so you need to act immediately.



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19 Aug 2010, 7:49 pm

Hey man, sucks you're feeling down about getting that 27 thousand bucks ripped off. If you send me just a thousand, I'll try to cheer you up.





To actually be serious: That's f****d up. I really can't imagine how someone can spend years of their lives in order to pull off one of them there long-cons. Do they have Better Business Bureaus (or similar) in other countries other than the U.S. and Canada?

Also, NEVER wire your money out of country. That's usually the first rule you come across. Also, even if you know someone in person, that also doesn't stop them from conning you. Some people even get down in a rut and will scam/steal from their own friends and family to survive.


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