I'm going to kill myself very soon. I cant deal with things.

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don't do it.

Selfish as in it will hurt the people that loved the person that killed themselves. (If they had such people, that is...but most do)

Selfish doesn't work, although the survivors may often feel that way. It's a great way to tell someone who's already considering all the reasons they should be dead that they're a bad person in one more way, though.

I don't know, maybe it'd work with some people, but I think tough love is a pretty dangerous approach when dealing with suicide.

Being single is not the end of the world, and it's also not a good reason to kill yourself.

Look NO woman is worth your life, you dont want to go down that road trust me i know i recently experienced the death of a loved one for a similar reason I hate the pain

Yeah, same here.

It's not useful telling someone that suicide is selfish. In a way, yes it is. It involves being all wrapped up in the worst parts of yourself. BUT. A person that depressed cannot simply snap out of it, and rubbing their nose in the "this is selfish" stuff will just convince them that much more that they're too much of a horrible person to be worth living. So it's not useful to bring that stuff up at that point in time. When they're better, then they might see it in perspective, but not now. In the middle of this, the biggest thing is to get help of some kind. Even crappy kinds of help, as long as they genuinely help you survive it all, are better than no help.

Well as someone who's been suicidal I have to say I hardly see it as selfish......because you get to the point where you think those people that care about you would be better off in the end without you. I mean its a kind of delusional mindset.........so I don't see how it can be considered selfish. Unless it could be proven someone killed themself just to hurt someone else or something. I am not saying I support suicide, but most people forget that there are two side to it......not just how the people who cared for the person feel.

Has anyone seen or heard from johnnydangerous since last night? Is there any way the powers that be can check on him? His profile has about as much info in it as mine - so not much.

I'd really really like to see some sort of protocol in place for this sort of thing.

I actually disagree with you on this quite strongly. Firstly, to anyone who says suicide is selfish, would you expect that person to die to avoid other people's pain? If not, why do you expect them to do something they consider to be worse?

Right now, as a rational non-depressed person, I regret not following through the times I wanted to commit suicide. And following through now wouldn't give me back the dignity I lost and the resources I wasted when I could have been dead. Doing it now wouldn't fix the problems I could have fixed by doing it then. So all that BS about putting it off really pisses me off. Just because suicide is the right solution now doesn't mean it will be available to you as a solution at all in a few weeks time.

Also, the idea that depression invalidates someone's choices to live or die is something I do not agree with,. The default position for human beings is to have a totally irrational impulse to keep themselves alive at ANY cost. Just because it takes one kind of madness to overcome another does not mean that choosing death is irrational just because they would not choose it if not depressed.

I wonder if the op killed himself...
If he did, we'll never know.

A couple of people replied to my explanation of why people say it's "selfish" - I just want to say that I don't view suicide as selfish myself. (And if I did, I wouldn't use that card in convincing someone out of committing suicide, since I hardly see it as good enough a reason to stay and live.)
I just wanted to explain why people see it as selfish. I've heard the explanation being said many times which is why I knew it.

Indeed. A similar thing certainly doesn't work in me - someone trying to get me to feel better by saying that so many other people have it worse. That just makes me feel worse as it means that I'm a whiny pathetic b***h! And OBVIOUSLY I already knew that other people have it worse, which would also make me angry at the person saying it for stating something so obvious. One more reason for me to hate myself, or more correctly, that certain reason that already was there strenghtened.

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I hope not.
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