When materialism replaces hope, and when you are dying insid

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She'd most certainly not ever be my Mistress. What I meant when I said that "my main concern would be to do what she wants to be done, anyway", I meant that she wants the same things as me - me dominating her, she submitting to me - doing that, in various ways, would be what she would be wanting, and I'd always do my best to make her as happy as possible, in that regard... taking care of her as well as I could.

I am not the least bit confused. You're just having troubles with understanding me, as many others tend to have. People generally want things simple and plain to see, and I guess it maybe isn't that easy to clearly see my views on this, as what I want indeed is unusual. It would most definitely not be a normal relationship. It'd be a Master/slave relationship that deeply revolves around spiritualism, and the completion of each other through the love and our roles as Master and slave. It'd be a relationship that had been fated before what humans interpret as "time" even began. I could go into more detail, but why bother.

Well, "frankly", that is no more than your opinion. If I am so "insane", please give me a list of what makes someone insane, and what does not make someone insane. It'd be a very interesting read, at the very least, but even then, it'd just be the opinion of you or maybe others that you'd refer to. Throughout time and cultures, "insane" has always been a very subjective interpretation. And as for that motto, again... you just now said it isn't there to tell you what to do or expect, yet you continue by saying it's there to "help" to "stop" vulnerable people to do this or that. It's not there to do anything, yet it is there to do something? Interesting. You know what I think it's there for? To attempt to persuade people to do their best to follow it. And I most definitely apply to that view of it. Even in regards to the romantic suicide pact, as it certainly would not be a desire of mine to make someone vulnerable agree to it, with time - I'd want her to want it because she, like me, shares that desire.

And yes, honesty is something I deeply value. At least you have managed to notice that.

I think you're going to be disappointed when you die, mate, sorry. It's quite sad to me that you stand by those beliefs. None of my business though.

Could you explain the "with time" part please. For if your slave said "No, I do not want any part in your suicide pact and have no interest in taking my own life", would you actually end the relationship, as your slave no longer fits within your goals?

I'm also confused about how this relationship could work? A relationship in itself is a series of acts: initiation, dating, engagement, etc; while suicide is an act. One act that ends every other act. You can't build anything on one act that ends everything else, so in effect, a romantic suicide pact is really just two suicidal strangers together for the same effect. There is no romance involved. If you want a relationship, you're going to have to want to live.

I wish most people here would let Beauty_Pact be; He hasn't hurt anyone and even on this thread he has been incredibly polite and tolerant towards everyone despite some of the very rude replies. I don't tolerate people bullying a person who shares some very personal aspects of his life and asks for support.

Most people here don't understand BDSM. Master/slave games are an essential part of that. I can say from personal experience how beautiful experience being somebody's slave can be. It requires ultimate trust and dedication for the other person and creates a very intimate bond between the lovers. There is nothing "sick" about that, it can be an incredibly beautiful and delicate experience when two people connect on such level.

I agree with Lilya! The rude comments don't help anyone. Beauty_pact is a kind person and is hurting no one.

I think people tend to be grossed out by other peoples fetishes, I don't know why, really. The're just fetishes and more common than a lot of people think.

I do however think Beauty Pact's idea on death is worrying (what I posted about up there) But it's his business.

Tell me a way to permanently stop aging and I may rethink it.... to a degree, anyway. It'd have to happen, with time, regardless.... life is just too flawed to be lived for too long. It can be incredibly beautiful, and I do hope to find that beauty, in this life, but with time, eventually, nothing is new... life should be exciting to the very end, but the human mind won't allow this... the human mind gets used to everything, with time. Therefore, it's wiser to just take the undamaged love to the afterlife, instead... you should never feel anything else but that the love is as fresh as it was at the peak of your love... if it's your time to find true love, the afterlife will allow this; eternal, perfect love. And if it, hypothetically, did not allow it, then life was meaningless to begin with, anyway. But I could never believe that life has no meaning, so I know I'm right.

Thanks to Lilya and Silverbutterfly, by the way.

I don't feel I was rude to be honest, I felt that I had to discuss this person's viewpoint on mixing suicide with BDSM. Especially when I interpreted several comments as 'I will be the master & will control/direct my slave into a suicide pact regardless of her viewpoint since I am the master' - & I have yet to read any comments contradicting this.

As I already stated above, I feel the whole concept is contradictory, you can't really have both - either a loving relationship or strangers together for a purpose. It's upto beauty_pact to decide what he wants.

I'm sorry if this does sound like a moral crusade, but I can't feel at peace if I knew I could feel responsible for the suicide of someone who was not suicidal but was trapped in a relationship with someone who was and I firmly believe this could happen.

Life and the ways of the world are extremely flawed, but there are still things worth living for and things that never get old. I had more new experiences when I was younger that made me excited, but there are still things that make me excited now although I have gotten used to many things. To me it seems like achieving personal tranquility is the purpose of life, not love. To be able to appreciate the complexity and beauty of the universe around you, be at peace with yourself and the people around you, and feel only positive emotion. I would probably still be happy in the afterlife even if I was all alone, as long as I had some place beautiful to spend my time wandering around, enjoying my surroundings, being at peace with myself, without a care in the world. There must be something in your life that brings you peace and happiness. If there is maybe you should devote more time to it. If you do manage to find true love it will bring you closer to achieving personal tranquility, but the chances of that are unlikely.

If I didn't care for what she thought about the suicide pact, why would I then so clearly point out that I am seeking a girl who would agree with me on this? Why would I then not instead leave that information out, and just attempt to manipulate her into agreeing with me - as you try to imply that I intend to do. If I left out that information, surely I would have a much easier time finding someone, would I not? But no, instead I am being very honest with what I want. You either a) are very unintelligent, b) have difficulties with the English language, c) have memory problems and need to recheck what I have stated, d) are trying to pick a fight, e) have some other useless reason or f) qualify for a combination of those.

Sorry for being impolite, but reading your posts is very tiresome. I hope you can understand.

I wrote up a huge response, but there is little point in keeping it. So I'll just say this. Why do you feel the need to attack J-Greens in this manner?

I've said my piece and I'm ready to move on. I've never heard any answers to the underlying issues and rebuttals further disguise the obvious here. Beauty_pact can try to provoke a more personal retort, but I'll ignore that.

I do hope you get your problems properly diagnosed and resolved safely.

Why does he feel the need to pick things out of context, and attempt to make me appear as something I am not? I made that reply as it seems meaningless to make intelligent replies to him, anyway... why bother?


To J-Greens: There are no rebuttals that disguise the "obvious". You just have your mind set on me being a particular way, and have been attempting your best to convince others of this. That is all. And good thing that you are "moving on". I do hope that you won't be finding someone new to harass, instead, though. Good day to you.

I think I may be about to truly be on the path of entirely giving up. I don't daydream about my future-found true love, anymore, and I don't ever dream about her, anymore, either. Instead, I frequently think about when to die and how, and how to do it with the least discomfort without leaving my dead body a mess, afterwards. I feel like it really is better if I just give in to these feelings, entirely... that it may be for the best that I wouldn't even have the luck of finding her, in this life. It just is starting to seem so appealing to die. Nothing even is fun, anymore, anyway. Truly nothing.

Can the haters stay out of the thread, this time, by the way? Thank you.

I hear that you hate life and are thinking of suicide

Things can and often do improve, but that is up to you

What if she is lonely and depressed and waiting for something to happen, just like you?

What if?????

The world is full to the brim of lonely sad peeps eyes downward, unable to see good things on the horizon

because their horizons have been lowered by depression

I think I have lost my materialism, to a very great degree, by now, too..... at least I had that, before. Of course, I am sure that I will keep ordering stuff that I have no use for, anyway..... after all, what else do I have left?

....I am so empty inside, by now. Everything is hell. The world is, overall, as dark as it almost can be.... and my life is entirely without hope. All the "signs" I had of things to come clearly just were some paranormal pranks against me. :/ If only I could leave this life, through a painless, comfortable death.... as it currently seems, I just was not meant for this particular world. :/