Do not kill yourself

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I was agreeing it made me more depressed though, adds much more thought of proof of the lack of people caring

That is certainly understandable, sorry you have to deal with that.

Yeah, you didn't say love itself was--you said if a person obsessed over a person for their entire lives that you believed that they had a psychological disorder or were maybe selfish. So i'm pretty much saying what my opinion of such a person is. Also if we're saying a suicidal person isn't selfish ever, someone they leave behind definitely couldn't be selfish.

I was saying that a person can love someone to that extent (to be saddened or affected gravely by the persons loss) for a life time without it being a psychological disorder or selfish. In my opinion it was understating how the grief of a suicidal person could affect a loved one.

Now whether a suicidal person could be guilt tripped or not by such grief and suffering of the ones they leave behind is a whole other story altogether. If a person is depressed enough, nothing I mean nothing could ever talk them out of killing themselves.

Also my point is trying to guilt trip them out of killing them self is not an effective approach and can make them feel worse which is what you want to avoid. And it is true not everyone gets help in time and might end up succeeding.

Oh it seems that I misunderstood what you said then. I wasn't referring to a "grieving state" more that the overall impact of a persons death can last. I do agree with you on that.

wooah. I guess I didn't realize that this is going to general so much debate.
It was more about me conversing with myself in here I guess.
I didn't mean to guilt-trap anyone. I have been really really depressed lately and this is what has been turning over in my mind. this is not to justify what I said, but it is what I figured out for myself. I am still in that abyss. the sociopathic evil thing was directed towards myself. I didn't mean to upset anyone.
Sorry if I did.
I don't think suicide is ok. But it is something that I decide for myself I am not forcing that on anyone. It is always about being better admitting that I have been wrong and try again.
I guess i thought i could get a hug from someone for trying.

It seems fairly clear from this you were not attempting to offend anyone, this is however a rather sensitive topic so it is hard for most people not to get a little bit angry when you word it like that. So maybe better wording could have been used. But don't beat yourself up over it.

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If you had started the thread with something like "This is what's been running through my head recently", or "I am just writing this to myself out loud" and ended it with "What do you guys think?" then the feedback may have been more focused on advice. I can see how some people may view this as you trying to tell me what not to do based on misconceptions about what suicide really is, however I am confident that you did this with the best of intentions and were just perhaps naive or mistaken slightly in your approach. After all you were just expressing an opinion and you have every right to do so. You didn't go out of your way to offend anyone and you came back to offer clarification and an apology as a gesture of good will.

As for me I don't need an apology as I do not feel wronged by you, although thank you for offering one. You have allowed us to discuss this in a candid manner and hopefully by doing so we have all learned a bit more about this topic. It's good that you want to remain positive and don't let this discourage you from being so. If you are in need of further help then you are definitely in the right place; continue to post and contribute to threads, we are all here to help each other and share in our experiences.

You meant well so thank you for your input

Very nicely said Paulie_C.

Actually, what they need is to have a good life. People saying pointless things like "you deserve a good life" are just as likely to make a depressed person feel worse, when they realise that the only "help" they're ever going to get is a bunch of condescending people reciting cliched, shallow, meaningless catchphrases at them.

That was my biggest concern, the risk of making a suicidal person feel worse. So often something like this can be a defining blow that pushes someone over the edge. And it's hard to tell sometimes whether it's being done intentionally or not.

Advice taken. Paulie.
I have been so depressed lately that my life totally went off track.
School pressure probably, the fear of not succeeding? And the fear to admit to that?
I have this crazy monster chasing me about being wrong.
And it seems to be pushing me to a abyss.
I am going in to see my psychiatrist this Friday.
I think good chemicals will do me some good.

I'm not telling anybody to go out and kill themselves and I do think it's selfish to an extent but here's my take on it...sometimes somebody's life does suck and they are stuck in an enormous rut and there's really not too many people in this world who care about you. I can see the person's point of wanting to kill themselves. When you're that low, you don't really care about anything anymore and the way you see it is for the people that don't understand, "why are you making me live my life when I'm suffering so much? What's the point, I don't have a life anyway and you want to keep me around? I think you're selfish for watching me suffer." That's basically how a lot of people who attempt suicide think, their psyche is so far gone it's hard to bring them back. I was in the hospital for 2 weeks because of my anxiety and depression and it really helped. I was then placed in to an outpatient day group program which really really helped me. It's a bumpy road and I can understand a person who wants to die, I don't encourage it but I can see where they're coming from. There is help out there though, a stay in the hospital actually isn't as bad as it sounds people. Everybody's very nice there and you'll get lots of support.