Can Suicide Be Logical?

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I'd commit suicide if I couldn't own a tiger.

Honestly I believe it is a right to self ownership. My life is my life, if at some point I got tired enough of suffering and said to myself "if this is gonna be my life, I'd rather not live", it's my life, my struggles, **I** have to live with it, not my loved ones. Selfish to me is forcing or pressuring a miserable, hopeless person to live a life of misery. If one can't live a happy life, what purpose is there for them to live? Death is by far the better alternative, logically.

Wait if your a leftist you do not beleive in personal property. All
property including people belong to the collective. So you need to get permission from the collective before you wack yourself.

No comment.

Ever hear of Ian Gawler? He made an amazing recovery from terminal cancer after all doctors had written him off. But I think his case was possible 1:1,000,000

Thinking wider, what about suicide bombers? They kill themselves for a higher cause. I think they are wacko, but they seem to be making an informed decision.

hmm Suicide bombers.. If their belief is correct then what they are doing is logical.. Its logical to them, but not to us. I just like comparing other people to other people when discussing this. If someone who is 'worse' off then another and doesnt kill themself, how can someone state 'it was logical' if they had it better then the other?

Interesting point, Corvus. I'm really just adding whatever factor I can think of.

Oh for sure Sig. I'm doing the same, its a tough topic

Hmm..perhaps we'd better start doing it together.


Btw, Roc is one of my established roleplay characters...I rarely use him but he's fun.
Doodler is one I plan to create.

Just don't leave them in the same room alone together...I assure you there'll be at least one savage arguement before the night is through if you do.

With considerable consideration over a lengthy period of time (say 9 months, as long as it takes to grow a new baby in your tummy ) I would say yes. Suicide as an impulse decision is never right and quite irrational. However, with a clear and unclouded mind - suicide can be a viable option in my opinion.

I for example am well into this 9 month gestation period and I'm still leaning towards DO IT. But hey more time to think never hurt anyone did it? You could regret ever considering suicide later in life, or you could regret not doing it sooner.

It's a very personal decision all the way and you need a LONG & DEEP think to make sure its the right decision or not.

And you really should get your personal affairs in order before you off yourself, and if you know you're gonna die soon - you might as well try some crazy s**t you've always wanted to do and go out with a bang, right?*

*=I'm not insinuating suicide/homicide, that is very wrong & totally uncool.

All I'm saying is like you should ride on top of bullet trains, streak through a busy street in the springtime, or sky dive (hey then maybe you could just forget to pull the cord!), stuff like that.

Remescen, indulging in behavior that is risky is not suicide. I hate the people who keep trying to find excuses to stop people from taking risks to do things that are fun. We have to take risks with our lives just to work a really poor job to put food on the table, and it's not more risky than keeping a tiger in your bedroom. Any workplace you can name is likely to have some lethal trap waiting to fall on someone. Where I work a person would have been killed had that person not seen what was falling from a high shelf, and they still stack those things dangerously in the same place.

What we have to go through to get to work is so dangerous, and poor diets and lack of exercise are so dangerous, that running back and forth with a lion on a leash is not half so dangerous as sitting on your butt at the computer or working in a warehouse. There are other dangers that they use as an excuse, and none of them add up to nearly the danger that I put myself in right now by sitting at the computer all day.

This is why sometimes I say that a sort of suicidal frame of mind is helpful, because it lets people take productive risks. I have been so sick that I have felt that it would kill me just to walk a mile. Then I say if it kills me, it kills me. Then I come back feeling a lot better than I did when I left, knowing that I have greatly increased my chance of living to a ripe old age and have increased my energy and stamina, which I will need at work.

Of course, the problem is the false equation between suicidal urges and acceptance of risk. You don't go to the mountain to die, you go to the mountain to live.

It doesn't seem logical to me.

Have you considered all factors?

I'm just saying, if your life sucks and your miserable, and your trapped, and there's no way out, why wouldn't a quick painless death be better than years of torment? What's the point in living a miserable life? Expecting someone to go through that kind of torment to make other people happy is selfish. Suicide is a right to self ownership. We have no choice of anything else, where we'll live, how we'll live, who are parents will be, etc..... Zero is greater than negative.
The individual's life is theyr life, nobody elses. Only that individual knows his or her pain. I honestly think alot of criminalizing suicide is just bred into society through the religious right, similar to how they breed society to act like sexuality is a horrible thing. Who owns us? I own myself (if at some point I blow my dome off, it's my right, though I'm not at that point just yet), but the government owns most people.
I mean I agree if someone committs suicide for something stupid like the average teen drama, that would be gone within a month or two at the most, that is stupid. Because then it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem. But a permanent problem might take a permanent solution.

I don't think it's logical either...

Ones life doesn't have an "undo" option like on a computer! Once your "dead", you're "dead" and that's that -- you've reached "The Point Of No Return"!

BTW, if you're feeling like life "sucks"... before you put a gat to yo head, seek help -- that's what friends are for! !
It's really NOT WORTH IT, MAN! !

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"Suicide is not abominable because God prohibits it; God prohibits it because it is abominable."

-- ­Immanuel Kant --


"Not even a suicide does away with himself out of desperation, he considers the act so long and so deliberately, that he kills himself with thinking -- one could barely call it suicide since it is thinking which takes his life. He does not kill himself with deliberation but rather kills himself because of deliberation."

-- Søren Kierkegaard --


"Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder."

-- Arnold J. Toynbee --

Hmm...I meant to say that these 'behaviors' should be tried before you go PROPERLY and painlessly (there are ways of course). Its been a dream of mine to skydive, for example. But I'm not going to use it as a way to kill myself. That just gives the business a bad name...skydiving instructors gotta make a living too you know.

Im equating these risky behaviors as "going all out" activities similar to what terminal cancer/leukemia patients might try..for example riding on bullet trains:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ0WDXVW7Oc

Or saving people from their problems:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0230838/

THEN offing yourself with time-tested methods AFTER thinking about it long enough.

So don't hate me please, I hate being hated.