drastically going from mildly suicidal to extremely suidical

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syzygyish
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01 Jun 2014, 6:27 am

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Hi Serena, there is another possibility for whats happening with your "two selves", its something thats statistically common in teens with "differences" and its often misdiagnosed as mood disorder or bipolar so its worth you checking it out to see if it fits for you and to rule it out if it doesnt. And this may sound odd, but if you are more physically flexible/bendy than the norm (hypermobile) then its definitely worth you looking into because thats one of the biggest risk factors.

Its a physiological condition called Dysautonomia, or Autonomic Instability, and its a failure of the automatic nervous system, (which controls things from heartrate to digestion to emotional stability) to regulate and stay balanced in response to everyday life stimuli. Instead it over responds and over corrects repeatedly like a seesaw, which is chaotic for the body and brain chemistry/hormones etc, and intense suicidal feelings and rage/violence feelings are pretty common when its unmanaged, as is the opposite happy mania stuff. Sounds like bipolar but the different root cause means bipolar medications dont work and so undiagnosed people struggle unnecessarily and get labelled unhelpfully until that root cause is recognised. Which it often isnt by the psych/counselling profession because, being a physical thing, its not something theyre taught about in their training.

Your "mild" suicidal feelings sound pretty normal and appropriate for whats going on in your life and most NT's your age would have similar feelings in your circumstances, so its possible that the tip into the intense stuff is happening when those unsupported emotions get overwhelming. But its also possible its this physical thing that can be treated and managed without prescription drugs and their sometimes unhelpful side effects. And as a teenager who is still physically and neurologically developing, safe alternatives to medication are a good idea where possible.

I'm new here and cant remember what I read about whether external links are allowed, so I wont put a live one just in case. But theres a good series of slides from an experts powerpoint presentation that explain this "dysautonomia-that-looks-like-bipolar" at (http://) ehlersdanlosinfo (dot) wordpress (dot) com/specifics/pseudo-psychiatric-symptoms-in-edspresentation-slides/ This presentation talks about it as part of a genetic disorder but it can also be an issue in people without that disorder as well, especially during puberty.

If it doesnt fit for you then just ignore this but I'm flagging it up as an alternative possibility in case its relevant.

Do you have tools besides video games to use for coping when those intense suicidal/dangerous feelings flood you? Sometimes the sense of (and the reality of) being powerless can increase those feelings so things that help you to feel grounded,and that focus your justifiable anger and grief into inner strength, can increase your sense of personal power and decrease those scary and unsafe feelings. Unfortunately my inconveniently unhelpful mind cant find the words for a single example of what I mean there at the mo but I'll (try to remember to) post again when I can unstick my brain.

Stay safe and use your obvious intellect to remind yourself that its your now situation that you want/need to be over, not your actual life itself. The experience of life is difficult, painful, unfair and overwhelming at times, but its also awesome, enjoyable and enriching. So stick around for those good bits ok.


You didn't read this :!:

I love researching stuff, and I mostly get addicted to online games, but others as well. On online games, I have close friends.

But you didn't research KC73 post?

where he poured out his heart!

You know, when aspies get on here, it pretty much means despearate times
desperate measures

I don't think your really taking seriously the amount of consideration you are receiving

or the emotions that are heaving


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01 Jun 2014, 11:33 am

I did read that, and I in fact responded to it on the same page. I very much considered it, and I now have an appointment with a doctor on June 11th, the day before I go to my counselor. I did research after I responded.


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13 Jun 2014, 9:41 am

I went to both the doctor and my counselor. At the doctor, it finally came so someone else's attention other than mine that I have a problem with my blood pressure. My mom didn't really care before the doctor said something about it, even though she's witness me curled up on the bathroom floor trying to take a shower, but I can't, because I keep getting dizzy. When I walk into the living room to tell her that I just passed out somewhere, she says, "Oh, yaah, yah, you passed out, mm," in a very German accent and then says every time, "Yah, I passed out as a teenager."
Blah blah blah, I get dizzy and pass out / almost pass out every day, and it's really not normal. So, the doctor is considering dysautonomia, and they did a blood test on me. I didn't hear about the blood test yet. I don't know what is going to happen on that note next.
Anyway, I started Buspar (Buspirone HCL) and Adderall (actually the generic, cheap substitute) yesterday. I didn't end up telling my counselor about being suicidal. We just talked about me moving and about how dysautonomia could be what is effecting my moods in those patterns, even though she doesn't know how bad it is. If nobody but me knows how bad it is though, I may never get the right dosage of medicine. The Buspar is supposed to help me be less paranoid and also have a slight anti-depressant effect with it. I'm taking a really small dose of it right now, because apparently I should start small since a lot of people on the autism spectrum can be sensitive to those medicines. My Adderall dosage is relatively small as well.


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13 Jun 2014, 2:00 pm

I had that some years ago, same situation, using games to keep my mind from going (in my own words) "philosophical".

looking back, the cause was both simple and complex, it was stress, but a quiet one, one that builds up so slowly you don't even realize it.

it ended up with me moving out of the city and starting antidepressants, it's working so far.



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14 Jun 2014, 7:13 am

oh! :cry:

please
please
please

serenaserenaserena
be alright!


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