Maine now requires 6 hours of volunteer time for for food st
12 Sep 2015, 10:23 pm
Automation is inevitable, we're going to see an unemployment rate higher than we've ever seen in history. We're going to be forced into guaranteeing basic income, the reality is that technology will replace probably 50-70% of workers with in our lifetimes.
The solution? I dunno, maybe a massive solar flare? EMP? You can't walk back progress, it is what it is and we're going to have to live and adjust with the societal effects.
19 Sep 2015, 6:35 pm
Sweetleaf wrote:
HisShadowX wrote:
Problem is the welfare queens who have children with more than one man who are allowed to live scot free but those who are disabled suffer because well they are loud and boisterous we might not be into confrontation
Problem is government officials/politicians using that as an excuse to cut benefits for people who need them. Whilst there are likely frauds they aren't even a significant majority...its just an image some like to perpetuate to excuse making things harder on the people who really need the programs.
Not really, I live in one of those areas in Chicago and all my friends as well the people I work with are the ones I am referring to.
Good example. Two years ago we had a flood in Chicago on the South West Suburbs. FEMA was giving vouchers and hand outs to people who needed assistance but instead we you went to go get assistance there were single mothers in droves from the South East side living in apartments no where near the ground floor getting the assistance leaving those in need not being able to get that assistance.
In IL until we literally ran out of money we had something called Day Care Action which is Free Daycare for woman. Problem was you don't have to be working to get it, you automatically get it. What many women did was put their kids in 24 hour daycare (In IL with Daycare Action there are 24 hour day care centers) where mommy can leave her kids go get "turn up" at the club sleep all day and night and come back to get the kids to go drop off at grandmas house.
Its so open and flagrant here its disgusting.
19 Sep 2015, 6:38 pm
Jacoby wrote:
Automation is inevitable, we're going to see an unemployment rate higher than we've ever seen in history. We're going to be forced into guaranteeing basic income, the reality is that technology will replace probably 50-70% of workers with in our lifetimes.
The solution? I dunno, maybe a massive solar flare? EMP? You can't walk back progress, it is what it is and we're going to have to live and adjust with the societal effects.
The solution? I dunno, maybe a massive solar flare? EMP? You can't walk back progress, it is what it is and we're going to have to live and adjust with the societal effects.
Cmoooooon EMP!! !
19 Sep 2015, 6:41 pm
Sweetleaf wrote:
Sunnyboy2 wrote:
I live in Maine.
I'm 23, I make possibly around 800 usd a month. I get food stamps, I get enough to supply myself with almost a month of food. I do not take the max amount but I do get enough.
There is no '3 month limit' and there are not 'requirements' of volunteer work if you're already working, that article is just fuel for those who want to be angry.
The requirements state either you work at least 20 hours a week at a job OR you take at least 6 to 10 hours of volunteer work a week, this is only for abled bodied people. You CAN apply for food stamps in the state of maine and get them without trouble if you are disabled.
Articles like that, they really do no justice to the actual deal that is the state of maine. The SNAP program is there to help those that do not make enough money to supply yourself with food, I'm not saying that some people don't get less than they should.. but seriously.. our current governor might suck a lot.. but food stamps have been abused by a lot of people and I think a lot of this helps stop the abuse.
I'm 23, I make possibly around 800 usd a month. I get food stamps, I get enough to supply myself with almost a month of food. I do not take the max amount but I do get enough.
There is no '3 month limit' and there are not 'requirements' of volunteer work if you're already working, that article is just fuel for those who want to be angry.
The requirements state either you work at least 20 hours a week at a job OR you take at least 6 to 10 hours of volunteer work a week, this is only for abled bodied people. You CAN apply for food stamps in the state of maine and get them without trouble if you are disabled.
Articles like that, they really do no justice to the actual deal that is the state of maine. The SNAP program is there to help those that do not make enough money to supply yourself with food, I'm not saying that some people don't get less than they should.. but seriously.. our current governor might suck a lot.. but food stamps have been abused by a lot of people and I think a lot of this helps stop the abuse.
What about homeless people without adequate transportation, nowhere to regularly shower or clean up? I just think its kind of screwy to expect people already on the streets living very much day to day to have to do 6-10 hours of community service that they probably have to find their own transportation to get to and are expected to be somewhat clean...just to get food stamps to attempt to feed themselves that month. Seems like that is essentially who this policy would target if it excludes those on disability, people who work 20 hours a week and those with dependents...well except for the homeless who do manage to keep a job.
I mean it just seems this is mostly going to hit the most desperate, rather than do a very good job reducing fraud.
I agree but again this should be for people who are not working. Okay if you're a former drug addict in Chicago guess what you can now get ADA service and be able to go 90 miles for 3 dollars! Don't believe me google "Pace ADA" sadly most services for truly disabled people are being taken by people who are not disabled.
Sweetleaf wrote:
Fogman wrote:
One of the problems that Maine has is an etrenched Social Services beaurocracy that accomplishes little more than teaching people that it is okay to say 'gimme'. --It keeps a bunch of social workers employed, but does little in the way of actually helping people to better themselves. LePages' solution is correct in spirit, but misses the mark in the fact that requiring welfare recipients to work for their stuff results in those welfare reciepients doing menial labor.
What should be done is require all able bodied welfare recipients to recieve work training and seek employment. --This isn't happening, so what exists will continue to exist basically unchages, with a social services beaurocracy that expands it's manpower with increased tax dollars, but produces no tangible results for those who genuinely need help.
What should be done is require all able bodied welfare recipients to recieve work training and seek employment. --This isn't happening, so what exists will continue to exist basically unchages, with a social services beaurocracy that expands it's manpower with increased tax dollars, but produces no tangible results for those who genuinely need help.
A lot of welfare recipients are employed though....how would requiring them to receive work training and seek employment help those people? And those who aren't employed are much of the time on disability implying an inability to work so for those individuals it would be asinine to expect them to just go 'get a job'.
Working training and skills are needed. I would love to be able to get WIA to get a skill for a job. Sadly though in my state the only way you can get free training and job preferance at the same time and thats only if your a convict. For example the CTA, Pace, and the RTA use the second chance program for all entry level hires. So if you want a good job in Chicago you need to knock over a liqour store first to qualify.
Income requirements can be ridiculous when you do not consider a person's net pay. In Chicago Min Wage is 10 an hour meaning you automatically don't qualify for anything to make it worse lets say your court ordered to pay 300 monthly and you net is 800 or 700 they do not consider that
Sweetleaf wrote:
Cyllya wrote:
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Sure, a lot of welfare recipients are employd in dead-end jobs that pay subsistance levels. Why not invest a good portion of that assistance money to help them recieve training to get better jobs?
But, if you take the people who are currently working crappy low-paying dead-end jobs and actually manage to give them access to better jobs, who will work those crappy low-paying dead-end jobs?
How about pay people a living wage for their labor...getting a 'better' job is not realistic for everyone. For one not everyone has the same skill sets so some people may be better at more general labor than say meticulous, very precise paper-work or working in a finance department and dealing with a lot of data and numbers or other more specialized kinds of jobs.
Not to mention where are all these 'better' jobs' are there enough to go around for all the people stuck in crappy, low paying, dead end jobs? I sure do hear of a lot of college graduates being unable to find work in their field who end up settling for jobs that don't really use their degree/developed skills...sometimes those are more menial labor jobs.
And yes if everyone doing the 'crappy low paying jobs' moved to better jobs...who would do those? technology/robots is an idea since some menial labor can be done by machinery, but then therein would still lie the problem of not enough 'better' jobs to go around.
Here is the problem with that. Some jobs for example McDonalds, Jewel/Albertsons, Domicks/Safeway, and Burger King were mainly for low skilled labor someone who was trying to gain skills to move on to a better position.
The problem is two fold.
* People are not moving up and out of these low skilled positions because there is not much out there
* Most of the workers here are adults who are tax credit hires.
Let me talk to you about Tax Credit hires. This is when someone who is a veteran, felon, or disabled worker gets hired an employer can make use of that person's status and the State, and Federal Government will actually pay that employer to hire that employee. So the illusion is that for one that employee is actually being payed by the employer. When in actuality the Federal and State Governments are handing the employer the money to pay that employee.
So that's free labor already! Have you noticed in the past 15 years these joints have increased disabled hiring, and also people who look shady?
Some disabled people who are so disabled they work in what you call Workshops in which legally you can pay that worker below Federal Min Wage. Most programs are trying to push those workers into regular jobs so if you see your bagger hitting himself or literally putting the food you bought in his or her mouth (Happened to me a couple of times) chances are thats a tax credit hire!
The felons are were we are hitting the biggest problems out there. Most employees of these joints are convicts who the state and feds are paying for. Problem is that meager salary isn't going to help him or her so they want more money.
In Chicago more companies are refusing to hire good workers who have done nothing wrong and hire these tax credit cons but more often then not its easy to get hired at fast food or other low paying jobs because the employer gets free labor from the government and a huge tax write off at the end of the year.
These are the people protesting. I wish they would stop giving tax credits to hiring cons.
Honestly I don't even believe an employer should be able to do a background check on a person who SERVED their TIME.
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