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01 Jan 2016, 1:20 am
What I meant was that Retrogamer's explanation was implausible since the law of conservation of energy could not allow any energy to cease, let alone a future devoid anything, unless he meant anything but heat.
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01 Jan 2016, 1:28 am
Understandable. I meant there would be practically nothing. What I don't get is how can you have heat without atoms?
For that matter, how about the early universe? The first moment after the big bang was said to be extremely hot yet the first matter was formed a little while later? How could there have been heat without any matter to vibrate?
I don't even get how there could have been energy in the first place without matter. Every form of energy I know of (I know very little) involves matter in some way. As far as I know both kinetic energy and potential energy involve matter. So what kind of energy exists without matter in the very young universe and the very old universe?
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01 Jan 2016, 1:38 am
This is a rather complicated matter, RetroGamer, although equivalent in terms of energy units, (e=mc^2) matter can be destroyed and its energy can be released. For instance, antimatter when added with so-called (normal matter) cancel each other out and release only energy. Suffice to say, matter can be destroyed, but the laws of physics disallow the destruction of energy, in whatever form it comes in.
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01 Jan 2016, 5:56 am
cathylynn wrote:
carl sagan said that the only thing that makes our insignificance tolerable is love.
So I say the only thing that makes love tolerable is my insignificance.
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I detest cosmology and don't trouble myself with questions like the OP posted. I know that won't make a satisfying answer to many of you. I simply choose to frame life's questions in ways that are fruitful for myself, and cosmological ponderings do not give me any pleasure nor any useful direction. So I don't think about them.
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01 Jan 2016, 4:23 pm
I split the difference there. You clicked here so you'll doubtless be wanting some tough questions answered eventually. We would seem to be happy to be of assistance.
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01 Jan 2016, 4:30 pm
Deltaville wrote:
What I meant was that Retrogamer's explanation was implausible since the law of conservation of energy could not allow any energy to cease, let alone a future devoid anything, unless he meant anything but heat.
To me it's sad some people don't see the immediate relevance of a statement like this in their daily lives.
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Kind of weird how actually explaining real understanding of life around here runs against forum rules; one of my replies to InsomniaGirl's McKenna post doubtless got derezzed over my appreciation of psychedelia. Self-repression shouldn't be misdirected at the free expression of others. Mods keep your repression to yourselves or better yet, drop the chains.
Oh really, was some of your reply removed?
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03 Jan 2016, 12:55 pm
The whole thing... and perhaps this as well due to my responding to your response. People aren't really capable of debasing anything beautiful so they sometimes go after constituent elements of beauty instead. I find it helpful to examine new ways of remembering that.
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Everyone's life is important! Everything that we do and all of the choices that we make impact the Universe in positive or negative ways.
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17 Jan 2016, 10:31 am
Kuraudo777 wrote:
Everyone's life is important! Everything that we do and all of the choices that we make impact the Universe in positive or negative ways.
How so? The world on earth is nothing more than a microcosm of reality. Even the most radical change on our planet would have the most marginal impact on the known universe.