Gun ban in my state

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No I don’t want kids dying I think we need better security at our schools and to allow trained teachers to carry guns if they choose.
We live in a world with evil, gun control ignores that and thinks banning guns mean evil people will just magically turn good. One commentator literally said it was the gun that made the shooter do it . Guns don’t mind control people.
I’d think the recent bomb attacks would have shown gun control, even if they banned every single last gun, won’t stoop school stacks.
Imagine if someone blew up a school and killed thousands of kids. Mass shootings are bad but it could be much worse. We need to work on catching such people before without violating peoples rights.

The problem is I actually read the proposed laws and they horrible, most people just look at the title of the law which doesn’t have to do anything with the actual law FYI. They could do a save the orphans title and the law bans gay people. And people would be like yeah I want to save orphans how could anyone be against that. That or they just soak in whatever anti gun politicians say and the media says witch is ignorance at best and total lies at worse(media not people watching it. They have my mom thinking the ar15 is full auto and the .223 round can blow right through a deer. Both are total lies. They lie about everything about guns. 200 million people don’t know much if anything about guns and how they work and so are easily taken in by these lies.

More people should have read the patriot act when it was being pushed. Quite a few politicians don’t read the laws either.
The ones who pushed the state law in my state back in 2013. Keep in mind they are the ones who submitted it as theirs said when asked about stuff in it something like” i dont know what it says I didn’t write it I was given it by the anti gun group and just submitted it” they literally took a bill didn’t read it then submitted it and pushed it then to be surprised by what was in it. Obama care was passed by you can read it only after you vote for it. Congress and state congresses are jokes. They just in it to get company bribes and collect a paycheck for the most.
How about that New York congressman who said he’s more important then us peasants he needs protecting we don’t. Last I checked theybwork for us. Then there’s he whole no laws passed by Congress shall effect members of Congress. Oh and they vote to give themselves pay raises.

Non of the proposed laws will stop anything but they agree and don’t care.
I’ve yet to see one that will have any positive effect.

Sly, first of all, an apology. You posted this in the Haven and therefore this should not be turned into a political fight. It is terribly frightening and discouraging when people who don't know what they are doing (our legislators) make laws that interfere with our rights, whatever it may be. I can become quite distraught when the rights of people with disabilities are disregarded or violated or people who try to legislate health care. I do appreciate your concern regarding your rights, your home, your property in the state you live in.

It’s ok your posts weren’t bad.

It is frightening. I don’t want swat team raiding my house in the middle of night killing my family’s dogs then me. But lots of people in Portland decide things for the whole state. Outside ofnportland Salem and Eugene rest of the state is right leaning pro gun.

Anti gun people keep talking about Obama’s attempt to stigmatize and strip disabled people of their rights. The media and antis just say it stopped mentally ill from getting guns so repealing it means mentally ill people can buy guns but the rule change has nothing to do with mentally ill. Aspies aren’t mass shooters.

They are also wanting to get rid of hipa so no more medical privacy.

Many antis want to put gun owners in a public list that’s has their name and home address.

I agree that the talk is scary. And the division between rural and urban is also scary to me. People get riled up about things and it doesn't take too much imagination to speculate on the direction things could take in terms of losing personal liberty for basic rights that we in America take for granted. Even the mentally ill people (should) have rights and the vast majority are not violent. In my opinion, in the heat of the moment, people forget all the good that comes from personal liberty when they become afraid.

If it is any consolation, historically, these things usually swing right and left and at least up to now it has balanced out to something approximating a muddy middle. I know that doesn't help right now. Based on my area of work expertise, such as it is, Hipaa is not going to go away and putting private individuals' names on a list, like convicted sex offenders, is also an outlier.

Laws don’t get undone though or obama care would be gone by now. Clinton banned imports of guns from China back in the 90s its never been lifted despite us buying everything else from them.
New York has a public list of all gun owners.
The laws they want passed doesn’t get rid of hops it just makes it toothless by removing the whole privacy thing. See under hips medical records can’t be use to put someone on nics. They want to remove the whole privacy thing so they can use medics diagnosis to put people on nics for being born different regardless of if they danger or not. They’re too busy using people like as as the new scap goat to realize it’ll also remove medical privacy for everyone not just disabled people. Same way they passed patriot act thinking it’d only spy in terrorists not them.

I believe most anti gun people would like to see people with disabilities Locke up in mental hospitals again rather then allowed on the streets to annoy them with our differences.

This youtuber I watched worked in a hospital once and so thinks all aspies are violent and unstable. He probably dealt with some bad cases of low functioning autism and somthinks everyone with autism is thst way.

what are "nics"?

In general, privacy concerns me greatly. I am not on Facebook and try to limit my online presence. So many records are public...arrests, court proceedings, driver's licenses, voter registration. And almost any professional has a legal obligation to report someone who is thought to be endangering or exploiting people with disabilities (and children of any ability.)

I do disagree that most anti gun people would like to see people with disabilities locked up in mental hospitals again. I know too many people who are anti gun, but very much for community inclusion and to enforce the rights of people with disabilities. And many people who don't know, are willing to learn. I recently did a class for a volunteer fire department/first responders about how people with disabilities might respond differently from the average person and it was well received. In particular I worry about nonverbal autistic men who are out in the community. They are particularly vulnerable to police brutality.

Anyway, I am not saying you have no reason to worry and I do understand. When government laws threaten my life or health, I have panicked also and get that really sick feeling inside my stomach. I also panic because it seems like others don't get how bad it is. So, I may not feel your panic at what is going on right now with the discussions on guns, I have had that sort of feeling before and I do feel for you.

Have you thought of any positive action you could take on this issue? Sometimes taking action helps the panic subside.

National instant check system.
It’s the thing everyone does before they buy a gun to see if they prohibited person.
The problem is it’s being abused. They want to include people like me and you who shouldn’t be in it.

Voter registration and driver registration aren’t public. The police can look them up but I can’t for example look you up and see where you live and what party you belong to or what cars you own.

I’ve seen hundreds and thousands who would want us locked up. They just think we are dangerous individuals cause we born different they’re bigots. They only enforce the rights of disabled people when it helps them not the disabled people, or like disabled groups and the alco they’d be fighting against stripping disabled people of their right to own guns. Democrats be like we support gays, wait that gay owns a gun, he’s evil child murder down with gays with guns.

My state is run by liberal progressive democrats they ignore my letters or send replies that act like I’m just too stupid to understand and they know what’s best for me. No one represents me federally or state level

Voters registration are public records. There was a big fuss in my state about that recently. You may be right about driver's licenses...

I had a thought...I am not all that web savey, but I keep hearing about "bubbles" which are apparently groups of people in forums or on reddit that all reinforce their "crazy" ideas. Is this where you are getting the idea that many people want to lock up aspies? or prohibit aspies from owning guns? I don't know how anyone could know hundreds or thousands of people in any other way.

I'll grant you I am pretty naive about people. I still tend to look for the good in everyone. My husband is the cynic in the family. I got to know the political system somewhat in my state and it is definitely a "game" and a complicated one and you have to learn the rules. I have had some, minor, success in some areas.

I am pretty sure the Disability Rights organizations are concerned about the gun laws, at least in reference to people with mental illness. I would suspect they would also be interested in rights for people with autism. Again, most people with mental illness are no more dangerous than anyone else. Obviously there are exceptions. But just as the gun rights people point out, there are x number of gun owners and most of them are not shooting school children. Likewise, there a x number of people with mental illness and most of them are not shooting school children. In fact, just thinking off the cuff here...I think all the mass shooters have been white men. Maybe we should just limit gun owners to nonwhite men and women. JUST KIDDING!! !! !! !

The only demonstrated correlation I am aware of in relation to gun violence is when domestic violence is involved. That has nothing to do with mental illness or disability. That's why I personally want to see more actual research before any laws are enacted. Otherwise we are restricting rights with no value to the community except perhaps a false sense of security.

We don't have to keep discussing this. I just appreciate hearing your thoughts and perspective. Up to you.

They aren’t public in my state we have privacy laws for stuff like that.

YouTube, Facebook,Twitter, etc
What happens is news or people post a article then regular people comment hundreds of thousands of them will comment.
I don’t know them but with social media millions of other people are right at your finger tips at any given minute.
They not saying aspies most don’t even know what Aspergers is other then what they heard on the news. But rest assured they mean us. They think we are mentally defective anyone who’s not normal is mentally defective to them. And that’s the concern with these laws they want. They don’t realize that atleast 1/4 of the country would fit their description. 1/5 of men have autism. How many people have some form of mentally disorder? They think it’s a small offset of society.

Most people are selfish and greedy and do what benefits them or their direct family over others. I am no longer naive about people.
To them it’s a game yes but it’s playing with peoples lives. I have a hard time playing with ai peoples lives . I value my ai lives in games. My friends send them all off to die I pull mine back if I take too many loses. Politicians play with actual lives with little care is disgusting to me.

Yes but the rest of left isn’t. They sided against disability rights groups as well as against civil rights groups who oppose putting disabiled people on the no guns list without due process to prove they are violent threats. But they just say mentally ill shouldn’t have guns but that’s already the case. The law didn’t do anything with mentally ill people it effected people on social security who aren’t danger to anyone.
Most murders and gun murders are by black men. I still would never support banning blacks from owning guns :p current law if used would stopped some mass shooters with due process but we have a corrupt government and lazy agents. The solution isn’t to remove due process. It’s to fix the corruption and get rid of lazy agents. But nothing we do will stop mass shooters anti gun politicians even say so.
Reality is I could snap tomorrow, Obama could snap tomorrow, the policewoman down the street could snap and kill people. It’s unpredictable. Most people won’t. But that’s why it can never be stopped. There’s ways we can lessen it but it’s not gun control.

There been enough left leaning studies and government studies that show these laws wouldn’t do anything. That’s why they didn’t renew the assault weapons ban in 2004. Part of the law was that during the 10 years they’d study it and they found it had no effect at all on mass shootings or crime, so like any logical people they choose not to renew it. It’s the same ban they push after every mass shooting. Many mass shootings happen during the ban too.

I don’t mind discussing it with you. You haven’t accused me of being a child murder so it’s ok.

You are correct. I don't think you are a child murderer just because you want to have guns.

I am wondering what you would like to hear back from others...you have posted in the Haven, which if I am interpreting it correctly is more for emotional support. I certainly hear that you are panicky and terrified of the things that are going on around you that are out of your control. I think a lot of people can relate to that, even if not on the same topic.

I don't think we are going to solve the problem of gun violence or gun control here in the Haven. Are you interested in ideas of how to move out of the panic and into a calmer state? Because in my experience, reiterating the same statements and points of view does not lead to a resolution for myself or for the issue. I can tell you that, in general, the calmer you (editorially) are, the better you (editorially) are at expressing yourself perhaps even giving other people something to think about.

In the past, I have believed that if I became calm about at issue, it meant I didn't really care about it. This attitude kept me in constant turmoil and stress. I know it caused me health problems and relationship problems. But I felt it was some kind of betrayal to the cause if I could stay calm.

My current understanding of my life and my passions includes the ability to stay calm even in the face of a variety of disasters. This does not mean I am always successful. But it is what I aim for.

So, my question is: have you thought about what response would be helpful to you from within the Haven?

There’s no keeping calm. How to pretray this to non gun owners.mimagine if they wanted to ban your free speech, say pass a law that states if you ever say anything anyone finds offensive you go to prison. You’d all be panicked too. Or if they wanted to be able to jail anyone at anytime with a court or trial indefinitely, surely you’d all be panicking. What if say you antintrump someone finds that offensive so they jail you without trial for life.

For non gun owners they don’t care as it’s a right they don’t care about but if it was a right they cared about they’d be freaking out. The stupid kid pushing stripping people’s rights is now appalled that they want to require all kids to use see thru bags says it’s a violation of their constitutional rights, real rich and hypocritical of a kid pushing to strip others of their constitutional rights. But if it’s one of the rights he cares about oh hell no.
Anti gun people are hypocrites. They say we should ban guns if it save just one life, but banning cars that go over 35 mph would save tens of thousands of life’s but they oppose it cause it’d effect them. So they don’t care about saving lives unless it doesn’t effect the, in any way , if it it would effect them they say no. It’s easy to take rights away from others who you don’t know or care about. It’s wrong too.

I imagine if they wanted to pass this law in your state where it’d effect your husband and possibly send him to prison for life you’d be dead against it. Anti gun people would just say good that he goes to prison. They don’t onow you or your husband. They don’t care. Find what they like suggest banning it and they throw a tantrum and say they have rights.

They going be pushing this ban for next few months to get it on the November ballot. So I won’t be allowed calm, but I haven’t been calm since 2008, it’s been non stop constant attacks on my rights since then. Not a day goes by they don’t propose some horrible law ,policy, make some attack on my rights. Non gun owners just don’t get how horrible it is. What ever you feel you need or love imagine if every day some group pushed to take it from you. 10 long years of always being on the defense,always under attack.

I dont know just people to talk to who be like wow that’s horrible sorry.
I feel so alone. My family isn’t pro gun, I live in a liberal state. I don’t know many pro gun people besides from work and I can’t talk to them cause they anti welfare and social security and would hate me if they knew I’m on ssdi, 50/50 whether they’d think aspies shouldn’t have guns and should be locked up. Management knows, besides that one lady I trust at work knows I have something but I’ve never said what.

I felt a similar feeling, and that time happens to be around when Obama started to campaign and eventually won his general election. I relate to you a lot about that.

I think this thread can use my involvement too.

Sly, so if I understand you correctly, you want a place to be able to speak your mind and get support. Is that accurate? (I do wish you would try to avoid telling me how I would feel if it were happening to me or my husband, because you don't know what we have or have not been through.)

Sounds like Hollywood Guy may have some input more valuable than mine.

Guess I wrongly assumed the police arresting your husband for his gun ownership would be upsetting? Sorry. I’d be upset if my spouse or family were wrongfully arrested on a illegal laws so assumed anyone would.

I though we were having good conversation legitimately sorry if I upset you.

That’s cause obama started it. It was relatively peaceful up until then, the anti gun people were still licking their wounds from the disaster that resulted from their 1994 ban sun setting in 2004 as well as losing the presidency and congress. 10 years of hell. I’m about ready to just give and and hope they do it, sure I’ll probably die or live thru a civil war but I’m about to the point where I’d be ok with that. It’s like living every day with someone threatening to kill you then being like just kidding not todsy. Eventually you seek death just to End the torment. I’d like to go month with my rights under constant attack I’d like to just be able to relax for once in 10 years without living in fear that tomorrow might be the day swat turns up at my door cause some horrible laws they passed.

It seemed like this was dragging my personal life into the situation. Sarcasm is a cutting way of trying to make your point. If that was not the case, thank you for telling me. I am concerned I don't have anything else to offer you. I was trying to explain the difference between being panicked and upset vs being calm and more rational. I am not saying I have never panicked, never been as upset as you are about something, it is just that over the years, I have found that, for me anyway, I am more effective at taking action and coping with problems if I stay calm. Also my health stays better. What good is a gun, if you (editorially) are crippled by a stroke? You (editorially) start worrying about that more at my age. That is only partially a joke. You can laugh if you want.

I was NOT saying you had no right to be upset. I do understand where/why/that you are upset. I was trying to offer some solutions and/or help, to relieve some of the distress. If my replies to you are not helpful, or make you more upset, then I wouldn't want to contribute to your distress. I do truly wish you could feel a bit better.