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01 Apr 2018, 10:35 pm

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Just because you’re working doesn’t mean you don’t need a legal guardian. Even if you’re over 18. Some people are perfectly fit to work part, or full, time but aren’t mentally or emotionally mature enough to ever make proper financial decisions for themselves and it’s truly in the best interest of their health, safety, and well being to have their accounts managed by a legal guardian.

This is true. However, in the OP's case, there are reasons to question whether the mother is an appropriate person. I believe you might be able to get a guardian assigned through social services. But first it would be valuable to learn if he can make it on his own. Having maintained employment for several years is a strong positive in making a case for functioning well.


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01 Apr 2018, 11:04 pm

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If you are working, why do you need a legal guardian? You could presumably challenge this and win. And probably every last thing in your life will improve once you achieve more independence, by living away from your mother. For starters, you'd at least have somewhere you could bring a chick.


I started delivering newspapers when I was 10. Should I not have had a legal guardian?

How about when I working full time hours after school and weekends at McDonald’s from age 15-18? Did I not require a legal guardian then?

Just because you’re working doesn’t mean you don’t need a legal guardian. Even if you’re over 18. Some people are perfectly fit to work part, or full, time but aren’t mentally or emotionally mature enough to ever make proper financial decisions for themselves and it’s truly in the best interest of their health, safety, and well being to have their accounts managed by a legal guardian.


The guardian or parent needs to take several steps in order to get conservitorship of an adult. Being emancipated is solely different tham being a minor and they would have to prove to the courts that the person in question is not capable of taking care of themsleves.
It may not be the case with OP, and the mother, although have all the best intentions may be not telling him the whole story.



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01 Apr 2018, 11:26 pm

This whole thread has been weird because its feels like there's a group of NTs talking to an NT. You're all trying to act like life is so simple when that's far from fact. When has an abusive relationship ever been so easy to break free from? Upon that, you're all making him seem like a failure for not standing up to his Mother when MOST people struggle to do that.

I saw someone say the OP was projecting when it seemed like that was exactly what they were doing. I actually see this often on WP, one person saying someone else is projecting when they in fact are the ones either projecting or not being able to handle criticism.

Also getting social services involved is not always appealing for those who do not do well with strangers, so once again politely and sensitively suggesting something is better than acting like logic does not take into account emotion

@ OP I know how you feel. It's taken 2-3 years to stop relying on my mother and to fully see her patterns of manipulation and how to curtail them. Once you know the sources of your anxieties and fears things become easier to tackle, so acknowledging your mother's affect on your life is necessary. Being honest about your life makes it easier to navigate, so don't be scared to do that no matter who gets offended.


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02 Apr 2018, 12:39 am

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This whole thread has been weird because its feels like there's a group of NTs talking to an NT. You're all trying to act like life is so simple when that's far from fact. When has an abusive relationship ever been so easy to break free from? Upon that, you're all making him seem like a failure for not standing up to his Mother when MOST people struggle to do that.

I saw someone say the OP was projecting when it seemed like that was exactly what they were doing. I actually see this often on WP, one person saying someone else is projecting when they in fact are the ones either projecting or not being able to handle criticism.

Also getting social services involved is not always appealing for those who do not do well with strangers, so once again politely and sensitively suggesting something is better than acting like logic does not take into account emotion

@ OP I know how you feel. It's taken 2-3 years to stop relying on my mother and to fully see her patterns of manipulation and how to curtail them. Once you know the sources of your anxieties and fears things become easier to tackle, so acknowledging your mother's affect on your life is necessary. Being honest about your life makes it easier to navigate, so don't be scared to do that no matter who gets offended.



Hmm that’s not fair; the only user who fits your description here was BeaArthur in the first few posts.



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02 Apr 2018, 12:49 am

I’m the first one who said something sounds fishy if he doesn’t even know if he’s receiving as benefits or not and what amount etc. She may not be the right person to handle his finances.

I was just pointing out that just because he’s a working adult doesn’t mean he doesn’t need a legal guardian. We have no idea what his functioning level or capabilties are.


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02 Apr 2018, 12:51 am

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If you are working, why do you need a legal guardian? You could presumably challenge this and win. And probably every last thing in your life will improve once you achieve more independence, by living away from your mother. For starters, you'd at least have somewhere you could bring a chick.


If his job is minimum wage, then it’s hard to set himself free, also he wasn’t developed proprely.

One of things that many of the old generation fail to understand: rent prices are at least 20 fold than it was in your days, while wages barely increased; people in the old days were used to pay....10, or 20% of their wage to
cover rent? Now a rent/installement now makes up at least 50-60% that if it’s just a one studio flat room in the city.
Even with a roommate that may not be easy if his wage is too low.



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02 Apr 2018, 1:52 am

I grew up alone with a mentally ill mom on welfare, who was both physically and emotionally abusive. Getting encouragement was the least of my worries. Yet I don't sit here and say "poor me" and rob myself the opportunity of becoming successful in life. One has to draw a line at some point and say, whatever goes right or wrong is on me.

Both of your parents are doctors, who have stayed together all your life. I would have killed to have that kind of stability growing up.

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02 Apr 2018, 1:58 am

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... marknis. Both of your parents are doctors


8O

Seriously?

Mind.. blown.

So.. Marknis has all of the knowledge, financial, and support resources available to him to treat his depression and other symptoms? (*assuming his parents are nurturing people.. at all.)

I could have sworn I recently read him post that his mother is on her 4th marriage with some cliche redneck type that he doesn't get along with. :?

Something doesn't add up here..


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02 Apr 2018, 8:30 am

Yeah, I see that discrepancy (2 MDs vs 4 redneck husbands?) and think someone is mixing up two people. Meanwhile Marknis hasn't posted in a while.


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02 Apr 2018, 8:43 am

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I grew up alone with a mentally ill mom on welfare, who was both physically and emotionally abusive. Getting encouragement was the least of my worries. Yet I don't sit here and say "poor me" and rob myself the opportunity of becoming successful in life. One has to draw a line at some point and say, whatever goes right or wrong is on me.
Both of your parents are doctors, who have stayed together all your life. I would have killed to have that kind of stability growing up.

That's not fair. Hard to judge a book by it's cover. Both of my parents stayed together and we were middle class, but my father was am abusove drunk amd my mother did nothing about it. So his situation, though may be very different than yours, might be troubling for him. Him not seeing his part my be a function of his illness, IDK.
I hear the pain, resentment and anger in your words. I encourage you to look at that and work on it. I know it many years of therapy, meds and 12 step program to work out a lot of that.



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02 Apr 2018, 9:11 am

I relate to this. I know the harmful impact a manipulative mum may have on your life. When you are a child you think the behaviour of your mum is "normal" and may not be negative because your mum is the one supposed to care the most for you. Sometimes it is not the case. Hence, it takes time to understand that your mother is a manipulator.

The thing is that, for many years, before understanding, you have also "adapted" your personality and behaviours in order to survive to the manipulative behaviour of your mum. Hence you are becoming the perfect prey for all manipulators... hence you will attract them, this is the long term effect.

But now you spotted the manipulation. Congratulations.
1. I can only encourage you to learn more about manipulators (not with anger but simply to know more about it). There are a lot of kinds of manipulators, and manipulation techniques. The earliest you spot them in the others, the quicker you will be able to protect yourself against this poison. An easy and quick way to spot a manipulator is that the mouth is moving (a lot) and you feel bad, you don't know why.

2. Solution (with your mother or other manipulators)
- keep your distance as much as you can, from her and from her close relatives (because manipulators use people you know both in common to manipulate you).
- don't let them come across your plans, follow what you want, concentrate on yourself. This will take you energy because they always want to be the center of attention, play with your emotions, make you feel guilty, etc. but it worth it, you worth it.

I have cut the bridges with my mum and her close relatives. It seemed to me crazy at first because you only have one mum, one family, don't you?

You know what, I feel so much better without a mum than with that manipulative mother :)

Now I live my life and I am creating my life without any disturbance



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02 Apr 2018, 10:16 am

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I feel like my mother has sabotaged my life in so many ways. She's always been a control freak with pretty much everyone in her life and she doesn't see how her actions make others want to get away from her unless they are her closest friends. Even her husbands get exasperated with her and she's gone through four marriages in her life. Even when I was a child, she was constantly telling me "Don't do this, don't do that!" and shaming me for various things because she was overly concerned about appearances instead of letting me discover my passions and expand my knowledge.


She's not a very good mother and I'd find a way to get away from her ASAP. Parents like this are nothing but trouble and you don't need to be dealing with that. That part of the South you live in is NOT a good place to live in to be honest and I think you need to get out of there as soon as you can.


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02 Apr 2018, 10:24 am

I feel like Mark should try college again----this time, without preconceived notions. With a clean slate.

And stick at the library, too.

Come up with a plan to stay with his parents, while saving up for an apartment or a house elsewhere. Pay the parents a little something per month, and cook your own food.

Mark must be doing SOMETHING right to be able to stick at the library as long as he has.

And make occasional forays into Austin, making sure the alternator is fixed in his car.



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02 Apr 2018, 10:45 am

Closet Genious wrote:

I grew up alone with a mentally ill mom on welfare, who was both physically and emotionally abusive. Getting encouragement was the least of my worries. Yet I don't sit here and say "poor me" and rob myself the opportunity of becoming successful in life. One has to draw a line at some point and say, whatever goes right or wrong is on me.

Both of your parents are doctors, who have stayed together all your life. I would have killed to have that kind of stability growing up.

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You are being reported for personal attacks. You are also making extreme assumptions about my family's life.

My parents are divorced and their marriage was never a happy one. They argued, fought, and cheated on each other. Being doctors did not bring them happiness. They were both miserable human beings. Your anger is misguided.



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02 Apr 2018, 10:59 am

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8O

Seriously?

Mind.. blown.

So.. Marknis has all of the knowledge, financial, and support resources available to him to treat his depression and other symptoms? (*assuming his parents are nurturing people.. at all.)

I could have sworn I recently read him post that his mother is on her 4th marriage with some cliche redneck type that he doesn't get along with. :?

Something doesn't add up here..


No, I do not. My parents are "body doctors" and think depression is a myth despite how it runs rampant in both of their families. They can't prescribe medicine to me, I have to get it from my own doctor.

Yes, my mother is indeed on her fourth marriage. She can't stand the idea of being old and not having a husband. She's also a supporter of the GOP and her current redneck husband is in the medical field as well. My father is a redneck as well.

Doctors are not some sort of elevated human beings. At the end of the day, they are just like everyone else.



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02 Apr 2018, 12:05 pm

Marknis wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:

I grew up alone with a mentally ill mom on welfare, who was both physically and emotionally abusive. Getting encouragement was the least of my worries. Yet I don't sit here and say "poor me" and rob myself the opportunity of becoming successful in life. One has to draw a line at some point and say, whatever goes right or wrong is on me.

Both of your parents are doctors, who have stayed together all your life. I would have killed to have that kind of stability growing up.

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You are being reported for personal attacks. You are also making extreme assumptions about my family's life.

My parents are divorced and their marriage was never a happy one. They argued, fought, and cheated on each other. Being doctors did not bring them happiness. They were both miserable human beings. Your anger is misguided.


Fair enough, in that case I apologize.
My point still stands though, pointing fingers at your parents will solve nothing. And when does it end? The day they die? You're already 30.

At the end of the day though, I believe in freedom of choice, so if you want to live a terrible life then go ahead.