What stops you from committing suicide?

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19 May 2019, 7:21 am

1. Thought that if something went wrong I would end up with all the problems I have now and possibly some severe disability I don't have yet;
2. Feeling responsible for trauma that my suicide would cause in those close to me.


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19 May 2019, 7:23 am

Apart from my friend, my sister and her family, and my job, the main thing that keeps me alive is looking out of the window every morning and wondering what interesting and exciting stuff I am going to learn about the natural world today.


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19 May 2019, 7:24 am

My parents being alive I'd say



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19 May 2019, 7:34 am

What stops me from killing myself?

Family - I do not wish to burden my family emotionally with my demise.

Conviction - Unless I am 100% committed to dying, I would never attempt suicide. If I were to attempt and fail, that only has the capacity to make my life worse, so while I have any feelings of hesitation about committing suicide, I will not attempt it.

Hope - I'm not as yet convinced that I lack the capacity to build the life I want, to where suicide would never even cross my mind. If my hope is ever completely snuffed out, I'll be a dead man walking, until I'm not.



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19 May 2019, 8:11 am

My family and cats. I think about suicide almost every day of my life, but I don't want to hurt my family.



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19 May 2019, 9:04 am

A best friend who accepts me and inspires me to accomplish things. She listens to my goals and dreams and tells me to keep striving for them, even the ones that sound odd to others.



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19 May 2019, 9:22 am

Benjamin the Donkey wrote:
I wouldn't dare say this to my psychiatrist, but I've had suicidal "ideation" several times a week from the onset of puberty till now (age 55). Though I've made no serious attempt, I did in my younger days often intentionally put myself in hazardous situations in which my survival was a toss-up. I'm actually glad I haven't lived in the US for 18 years, as the legal and relatively painless recourse to a gun would make things far too easy.

But in answer to your question: For the past 12 years, my kids. I've had some very black, bitter times, but I'm not about to abandon and damage them.




Benjamin

A psychologist told me that he wanted to physically assault the president.

He acted like he wanted me to say "yeah I wanna perform likewise". And 5150

Baiting

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Some counselors act like the correct answer to "how are you doing" is "perfect". All other answers are wrong and the punishment for a wrong answer is 5150



Having said that , if you have had :skull: suicidal ideation :nerdy: for as many years as you wrote, and have not taken action, then it doesn't sound like you are at risk of committing suicide right now


But I am just a stranger on the internet


Certainly the psychologist would send you to 5150



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19 May 2019, 9:27 am

shortfatbalduglyman wrote:
Benjamin the Donkey wrote:
I wouldn't dare say this to my psychiatrist, but I've had suicidal "ideation" several times a week from the onset of puberty till now (age 55). Though I've made no serious attempt, I did in my younger days often intentionally put myself in hazardous situations in which my survival was a toss-up. I'm actually glad I haven't lived in the US for 18 years, as the legal and relatively painless recourse to a gun would make things far too easy.

But in answer to your question: For the past 12 years, my kids. I've had some very black, bitter times, but I'm not about to abandon and damage them.




Benjamin

A psychologist told me that he wanted to physically assault the president.

He acted like he wanted me to say "yeah I wanna perform likewise". And 5150

Baiting

:roll:

Some counselors act like the correct answer to "how are you doing" is "perfect". All other answers are wrong and the punishment for a wrong answer is 5150



Having said that , if you have had :skull: suicidal ideation :nerdy: for as many years as you wrote, and have not taken action, then it doesn't sound like you are at risk of committing suicide right now


But I am just a stranger on the internet


Certainly the psychologist would send you to 5150


They don’t usually forcibly commit a person unless that person has a plan in mind - a specific method of committing suicide.

In any case, suicidal ideation should be taken seriously. It’s not a pleasant way to live and it could lead to something worse.

I hope you can find some peace and contentment Benjamin. Don’t be afraid to be more open and reach out for more help if you need it.



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19 May 2019, 9:51 am

Nothing stops me when I'm in that frame of mind.

What helps me from getting to that frame of mind is.

Medication to help me sleep
Eliminating stress ( which is usually avoidance )


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19 May 2019, 9:52 am

Lexapro


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19 May 2019, 10:13 am

My poor executive functioning very often, I think. I have simply learned over the years that rather than fight the suicidal ideation, it's often better for me to just let my imagination run with it. By the time I've finished procrastinating about the details, the thought has nearly always lost its potency. People are often shocked at how flippantly I talk about it sometimes; but those moments have become routine to me, and I find it works better to acknowledge them and let them pass naturally than to feed the monster. Like with my routines for eating, sleeping, etc., I've developed an "autopilot" that gets me through without having to have an existential struggle with myself every time.

However, I'm definitely not suggesting that this is the right approach for everybody. The mindfulness to accept that they are unwanted thoughts which I can dismiss by allowing fantasy to take the place of action was something I learned only after many years and after much counselling.

As SaveFerris said; ultimately the best treatment is to work out the issues which cause the ideation in the first place.


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19 May 2019, 10:26 am

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My Mum as she would fall to pieces, my Brothers and all my brothers children and God, as He has things for me to do. Also, my future wife. I don't have a clue who she is, but she would be so lonely without me being there. I know what it is to long for ones opposite half to come along, as I have been patiently waiting for most of my life.

There. If it wasn't for those reasons... I have actually partly tried two and a half times when I wasn't really thinking straight due to a combination of fatigue and an ex girlfriend who stopped dating without warning. I blamed myself. (I later found out she was dating others even when we were making plans to get married, which had come from her as I wanted to date a bit longer to be sure as she was my first girlfriend and it was a little more complicated then that. I was dating her for what seemed like ages. About four months. It was intense though I was saving sex for marriage. Then one day she had another solicitors appointment. I didn't know what was going on. I had called in when she was in the solicitors which to get there was an hours drive away if I drove quickly down all the windy mountainous roads (They often hold the car rallying in Wales on the exact roads). Her sister was there and I asked why a solicitor. She said "She is getting divorce". She saw my face in shock and said " Didn't you know she was married?" I was intending to end it there but I was so in love with her. So I decided to return and ask what had happened. She said they met (I once had seen the man as he was working where I was, and assumed he was her boyfriend as they kissed, and then she was with another, who funnily enough was texting and phoning her while we were dating as the poor guy had suddenly found she cut contact with her. He apologised to me later when he saw me as he was at a different depot. A nice young man. Well, she said her ex.husband left her six months into the marriage. Stupidly I continued dating as I assumed her ex. had been off with another.
Well. Her mum was very weird. Several times her mum asked me to come into her bedroom to see the new cupboards. I would look and... Well. To tell you the truth, I don't do hints and I don't really notice clothes. I mean... She was dressed in some flirty undergarments. She was covered up so I didn't say anything. Looked at the cupboards, and said something nice about them and went back downstairs. Then this happened again and I thought why does she want me to look at the cupboards. They are the same cupboards. She was wearing something different but not a lot. I said they were nice cupboards and went back downstairs. Then again after time had passed she asked me to look where I said "I have seen the cupboards before". I just didn't catch on until months after the gf had ceased all contact. Her dad was a lorry driver and so he was away for most of the week and her mum was just plain weird and ever their gran who lived with them was a little different though she seemed OK and kind.
Looking back. What an odd family! It was only looking back on all the goings on where I put the pieces together to get the jigsaw. And the gf had actually dated two people the same time as me and I just thought one was a lodger (She said that to me) and he was looking at me strangely when I hugged her while her grandmother, a dressmaker by trade was making a wedding dress for her to marry me when her devorce came through.
Didn't I have a lucky escape both from suicide (As I didn't know what was going on so was blaming myself as she ceased all contact and had not said it was over) and from her and her family!



An extremely lucky escape Mountain Goat!

The image of your ex girlfriend's mother prancing around in her undies trying to seduce you is both amusing and very poignant. No wonder your ex was a head case with such a mother that would try to steal you away, regardless of the fact that you wanted to abstain from sex before marriage. You are well rid of that my friend!!
I was married to a criminal sociopath for many years. I also am blind to manipulation and deceit because I am so honest myself, I am improving in identifying them though. .Crazy people can prey on our goodness and naivety and do our heads in. I have considered suicide at times when I was younger but I finally reached the conclusion that distancing myself from toxic, manipulating people, whatever their connection to me is, is better than ending my own life. I just control my environment and keep it positive. It's horrifying to think that on an impulse my wounded, despairing ego would seduce me into doing something so drastic. Usually the things that drove me to the edge are resolved eventually one way or another, or over time lose their power over me.

My son and grandchildren would be destroyed if I ever harmed myself. I would look a bit of a wally because I always encourage them to be positive and not care about social demands or public opinion, but to live according to their own values.

I am not sure of the protocol on this thread, is it okay to relate directly to someone's post? If not, I apologise.


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19 May 2019, 11:03 am

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I have simply learned over the years that rather than fight the suicidal ideation, it's often better for me to just let my imagination run with it. By the time I've finished procrastinating about the details, the thought has nearly always lost its potency. People are often shocked at how flippantly I talk about it sometimes; but those moments have become routine to me, and I find it works better to acknowledge them and let them pass naturally than to feed the monster. Like with my routines for eating, sleeping, etc., I've developed an "autopilot" that gets me through without having to have an existential struggle with myself every time.

However, I'm definitely not suggesting that this is the right approach for everybody. The mindfulness to accept that they are unwanted thoughts which I can dismiss by allowing fantasy to take the place of action was something I learned only after many years and after much counselling.

As SaveFerris said; ultimately the best treatment is to work out the issues which cause the ideation in the first place.


I do exactly the same with letting the ideation play out , I didn't want to say it as it can be a very very dangerous approach. So I'm glad you did , how irresponsible of you :P :lol:


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19 May 2019, 11:19 am

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I do exactly the same with letting the ideation play out , I didn't want to say it as it can be a very very dangerous approach. So I'm glad you did , how irresponsible of you

Yeah; it took me a bit of procrastination before I posted, and the disclaimer was definitely required. But I think we do need to acknowledge that suicidal ideation can take many forms triggered by many different factors. In my case, most of my suicidal thoughts seem a bit like how the unwanted thoughts of OCD are described - so I follow the same kind of approach recommended for those. When they're caused by acute depression, which they sometimes were when I was younger, they're a very different beast - I survived those by luck rather than by any action on my part.


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19 May 2019, 11:29 am

I suppose I've been close to checking out once or twice in my life -- or so it seemed at the time. Obviously, all the things already mentioned are why I'm still here. The danger is when you cross a certain line and become totally disconnected from everyone and everything that brought you joy. It's the same when you are suffering from a physical disease. Disconnecting from this world is just a necessary step to letting go. When you're dying of cancer, the body shuts down and creates that disconnect naturally. The same can really be said, I believe, for depression and mental pain.

This is all just speculation, of course. It's just something I've pondered after watching my parents slowly fade away.


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19 May 2019, 11:30 am

Definitely agree with the disclaimer Trog.

I thought my suicidal ideations were OCD originally but they don't cause me distress. My ideation is my fix for OCD intrusive thoughts & depression.


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