My mind is either in the past or the future

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15 Apr 2020, 5:34 pm

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I see them, too. But I think I’m just better at pushing them out of my mind fairly quickly and focusing on anything more enjoyable than you are. Practice it; you’ll get better at it like anything else.


Do you find seeing couples to be a distressing reminder of your perpetual single status?

I would have thought that having frequent sexual encounters would at least soften the blow with that. I find it difficult to imagine that somebody who is able to have sex as much as you've claimed in the past would be unable to get a romantic relationship if they wanted one.


The hypocritical thing about where I live is that people call themselves Christian but will have pre-marital sex like rabbits because apparently God will forgive you always as long as you call yourself a Christian. It’s only people who are LGBT (even though these same people heavily oppose same-sex marriage at the same time) and from non-Abrahamic religions or are non-religious at all who are “sinning” if they have sex outside marriage. I used to get flack by some of these people for not having sex every day until they got their girlfriends pregnant and had tons of kids. I am child free but I don’t wish my chronic loneliness on anyone, especially when I see some jerk yelling and hitting his girlfriend.



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15 Apr 2020, 6:14 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
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I see them, too. But I think I’m just better at pushing them out of my mind fairly quickly and focusing on anything more enjoyable than you are. Practice it; you’ll get better at it like anything else.


Do you find seeing couples to be a distressing reminder of your perpetual single status?

I would have thought that having frequent sexual encounters would at least soften the blow with that. I find it difficult to imagine that somebody who is able to have sex as much as you've claimed in the past would be unable to get a romantic relationship if they wanted one.


Sometimes. But not as often or strongly as Marknis. The most difficult ones to observe are when a former or current crush is dating/partnered with someone else. Random stranger don’t have nearly the same affect on me, if any at all usually.

I’m sure it does soften the blow quite a bit. My body count is in the multiple 3 digits - and high enough that rounded up it would hit 4 digits. Certainly if sex weren’t so easily obtained a lack of romantic relationship would be more of a frustration for me than it is. But, I am at blessed with sex being so easily obtained that my numbers are only as low as they are because I’m very picky about type. If I had no type at all and just said Yes to everyone holy hell I could be at multiple 4 digits. Many gay males have that option. Sex is available 24/7 via hookup apps or bathhouses etc. At least we get something of a benefit out of our sexual orientation instead of just discrimination and other crap.

Yeah, that makes sense. I think most people find it unpleasant to see a crush in a relationship with someone else, but it's mainly people who are incapable of having a love-life/sex-life who are more sensitive with seeing couples in general. In my case, even just seeing someone I'm attracted to can get me down, because I know the attraction would never be reciprocal on their end.



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16 Apr 2020, 1:38 am

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29 Apr 2020, 10:06 am

My therapist thinks I really need to diffuse from fear based thinking.



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30 Apr 2020, 10:44 am

Does failure define me?



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30 Apr 2020, 10:47 am

Only if you let it.


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30 Apr 2020, 10:50 am

I don’t want it to but trying to break the vicious cycle I’ve been stuck in for 14 years has felt impossible.

I don’t think anyone is waiting for me to post about finding love anymore. They just want me gone.



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30 Apr 2020, 10:59 am

Nonsense; it's just how you see it. It can be difficult but not impossible to change an established mindset. Why don't you utilize this lockdown time to do an online course to improve your social and/or working skills?

There's a lot you could do to improve your prospects.


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30 Apr 2020, 11:02 am

That is neither fair nor true. I for one am rooting for you to find happiness in whatever form. Many members are, it can happen in the most adverse of circumstances, but you have to take positive steps, tiny ones and have faith.


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30 Apr 2020, 11:40 am

envirozentinel wrote:
Nonsense; it's just how you see it. It can be difficult but not impossible to change an established mindset. Why don't you utilize this lockdown time to do an online course to improve your social and/or working skills?

There's a lot you could do to improve your prospects.


I finished an online course that I had been taking since January. It didn’t make me feel like I evolved like college is supposed to do so.



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30 Apr 2020, 12:05 pm

What course was it? That's only because college is a shared experience, whereas you have to convince yourself that it was worth it. I see that as a fine step forward and would encourage you to do more of them. Most of the guys you're always comparing yourself to are also stuck to some degree due to the shutdowns, so if you use this gap, you'll emerge stronger.


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01 May 2020, 8:59 pm

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What course was it? That's only because college is a shared experience, whereas you have to convince yourself that it was worth it. I see that as a fine step forward and would encourage you to do more of them. Most of the guys you're always comparing yourself to are also stuck to some degree due to the shutdowns, so if you use this gap, you'll emerge stronger.


It was an online course called Personal/Community Health.

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02 May 2020, 6:46 am

My thoughts on this:

I relate very strongly to many things that have been said throughout this thread. I too had zero success at any kind of relationship for a very long time. I had a period where I lived on my own and felt intense loneliness with no social support of any kind, and I was afraid to reach out for help for fear of judgement or being labeled a Negative Nancy.

A relationship takes two things to form:

*Time, which you've no doubt spent a lot of
*A healthy mindset, which it seems to me has proven more elusive for you.

Feeling like you need a partner in your life to feel happy is a surefire way to guarantee that you either won't get one, or won't be happy when you do.

I was fortunate enough for a classmate to set me up with somebody, and that relationship lasted a year and a half, but it was a nightmare. She took advantage of my desperation and used that to get me to do close to 100% of the work in the relationship. All the travel, all the monetary expenditures, all the apologizing when things went wrong. It hurt me to do so, but when she dumped me and then asked me to come back, I said no.

I spent the time afterward committing to enjoying the single life. Relishing the emotional stability of never arguing, spending the extra cash I had on myself instead of a greedy girlfriend, and staying home with my parents instead of driving across town to see her once a week. I'd go for walks and rock out to my music, take a basketball to the courts down the street and shoot hoops until dark, and call up people I knew and ask what they were up to (even if I suspected I was annoying them).

If you follow a similar path, focus on yourself instead of the perception of others, I guarantee that you will be happy, partner or no. Do things because they're fun, not because you feel like you need to improve your skills, compete with yourself, or get approval from others. Forget the upvotes, forget the supportive comments, and just draw or compose or jam or whatever it is because it makes you happy.

This greater happiness that comes with doing these regularly over a long period of time will ultimately manifest as greater confidence and a better attitude, which in my opinion is absolutely critical in determining how attractive one is, both in terms of making ordinary friendships and in connecting with somebody special. Most people will gladly support a new friend or partner who's feeling down for a short time, but putting up with constant emotional drain at an early stage of any kind of relationship is a rare thing. If you're going to have something fulfilling and stable with anybody, being stable yourself is prerequisite. You can't take shortcuts or cheat your way around that. I'm sorry for being so direct, but it's something that's been known to behavioral researchers and psych professionals for decades.




If I get bogged down by the past or the future or faraway current events, I like to get what I call a "clear picture." What this means is that I first take a minute to notice my breathing. Just the sensation of air going in and out, producing alternating cold and warm sensations in my nose. I shift my attention to the rest of my body in sequence, noticing my body positioning, any physical sensations, little tensions in my muscles or joints or skin. I call this step a "body check."

Next comes noticing my surroundings. Anything I can see. Colors, shapes, objects, people, light sources, shadows, textures, anything detectable by the human eye. I also listen for various sounds coming from inside and outside. I try to list 5 of each in my mind. I inhale deeply and try to pick up ambient low-level odor, unique to each type of room or outdoor area, not describable but perceptible.

What these checks do is turn my attention away from anything that is not happening right now, and anything that is not happening in my immediate vicinity. If my attention is diverted from those things, I can't think about them, and suddenly the list of things I have to feel depressed or anxious about shortens a great deal. The picture is no longer cluttered, it's crisp, clear, and in focus, not to mention a lot more manageable. I can even do this while engaged in another task, say, at work or doing household chores.

It's at this point that I'm ready to shift my attention and return to the real world. A little calmer, and a little more ready to handle the things that life wants to throw my way.




Since you've expressed thoughts that maybe you don't want to live anymore, I very strongly suggest that you seek professional psychological/psychiatric support, if you haven't done so already. A good professional can help you see things more clearly, or through a more satisfying lens. They can help you drill down to the deepest levels of your thought process and help you challenge and defeat the most damaging and stressful thought patterns. They can offer their own personal experiences for perspective and suggest helpful strategies for self-care between appointments. They may also be able to point you in the direction of additional professional or social support.

I'm the new guy, I don't know anyone here, so it's possible (even likely) that this is all junk you've heard before, so you're free to ignore it if you want. But sometimes the perspective of an outsider can be valuable.

And if you're doing all of these things/know all these things already, give yourself some credit. You can take that as encouragement that you're on the right track and using sound strategies. You don't have to be discouraged just because things aren't going the way you want them to, sometimes somebody saying "you're handling this the right way" can be meaningful, even in the face of less-than-satisfactory results.


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