What if they never find a vaccine for COVID-19?

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29 May 2020, 8:07 am

I don't think you need to worry about the virus. When they start opening up the schools then you know it is safe to come out, as logically the schools with the wide catchment areas and the kids which don't do social distancing... Schools have always been the number one breeding ground for viruses that effect the human population secondary only to public transport. So if the schools are reopened, you know it is safe. It is a falicy to say that because school children are less likely to get the virus they are safe, because school children carry the virus back to their families. I know because I would often go down with things after my brother visited with his kids, and it was almost guaranteed that I would get what they had, and as there were nine kids all attending different schools I was going ill several times a year!
So as schools will be the last to reopen, if they are reopening schools you are safe and the virus is over. They will try to play it beyond that for political reasons as the longer they can promote this virus the more rules they can impose. Governments love adding rules. It is what they do. :mrgreen:
But anyway. Despite other restrictions imposed, it is when the children are allowed back into school that you know the virus has petered out and is no longer an issue.


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29 May 2020, 8:11 am

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The dentist wore just a regular surgical mask, her assistant wore a surgical mask and... I don't know English expression for it but it's quite popular where I live:


It's a face shield. A visor is more above the head to keep the sun off. (It's a google image search link.)


ETA: Underlining link so it looks like a link.



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29 May 2020, 8:12 am

It doesn’t mean you’re totally safe. It means you’re RELATIVELY safe.



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29 May 2020, 8:24 am

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But anyway. Despite other restrictions imposed, it is when the children are allowed back into school that you know the virus has petered out and is no longer an issue.

That's simply not true.
Kids go back to school when whoever in charge decides they do.
And this whoever in charge may make good or bad decisions.


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29 May 2020, 8:35 am

Kids are being allowed in school in certain European countries even amid the continuation of positive COVID tests daily.



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29 May 2020, 8:51 am

In Israel there has been a significant rise in infections since the kids went back to school. They are talking about closing them again because teachers and pupils are being infected, and when tested some are completely asymptomatic.They have opened restaurants and swimming pools and I am really opposed to this. People are acting as if Corona is a thing of the past. Crowded beaches with no masks. I call it the Ostrich Syndrome.


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29 May 2020, 8:57 am

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^ I’d call that a visor :D
Although that word could call up misleading images of medieval knights...

The Polish word "przyłbica" used for it is exactly the name for the visor part of a medieval helmet.

Here, they were in use among medical staff before, like, my husband recalls a doctor putting in on really quickly after identifying herpes in his mouth.
I understand, they protect the medic from possibility of a patient sneezing (or otherwise spraying) them in the face.
Never seen a medical professional using one: but the contractors who deliver the boxes of currency to bank branches wear them.
How does one pronounce the l with a slash through it btw? I’ve been wondering on and off for a while...

when i worked as a scrub in the OR i hadda wear one of those for many procedures. we just called 'em face shields.



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29 May 2020, 9:40 am

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In Israel there has been a significant rise in infections since the kids went back to school. They are talking about closing them again because teachers and pupils are being infected, and when tested some are completely asymptomatic.They have opened restaurants and swimming pools and I am really opposed to this. People are acting as if Corona is a thing of the past. Crowded beaches with no masks. I call it the Ostrich Syndrome.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ry/israel/
Did the kids go back to school this week?

Here, preschools and youngest grades got reopened under paranoid regulations, to allow the parents to go back to work. Remote schooling continues for everybody, so only some 10%-20% of kids that could go back to school actually did.


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29 May 2020, 10:43 am

Two weeks ago.
They are considering just keeping the younger children at school and middle and high schools will stop learning. There will be the final decision on Sunday. The schools are too crowded and the teenagers do not abide by the social distancing regulations especially middle schoolers. Keeping the elementary schools at home would mean parents could not go out to work.
It seems that Corona is spread through the sewage system also, we are having an update from the Ministry of Health just now.
We actually got down to 5-10 new cases a day, that has increased towards 70-80 cases a day in the last week.

Thank you so much for the link magz I wouldn't know where to find it. I rely on the government links.


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29 May 2020, 10:43 am

Mountain Goat wrote:
I don't think you need to worry about the virus. When they start opening up the schools then you know it is safe to come out, as logically the schools with the wide catchment areas and the kids which don't do social distancing... Schools have always been the number one breeding ground for viruses that effect the human population secondary only to public transport. So if the schools are reopened, you know it is safe. It is a falicy to say that because school children are less likely to get the virus they are safe, because school children carry the virus back to their families. I know because I would often go down with things after my brother visited with his kids, and it was almost guaranteed that I would get what they had, and as there were nine kids all attending different schools I was going ill several times a year!
So as schools will be the last to reopen, if they are reopening schools you are safe and the virus is over. They will try to play it beyond that for political reasons as the longer they can promote this virus the more rules they can impose. Governments love adding rules. It is what they do. :mrgreen:
But anyway. Despite other restrictions imposed, it is when the children are allowed back into school that you know the virus has petered out and is no longer an issue.


Some schools in the UK are reopening this Monday, even though COVID is still about.


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29 May 2020, 10:52 am

Teach51 wrote:
Two weeks ago.
They are considering just keeping the younger children at school and middle and high schools will stop learning. There will be the final decision on Sunday. The schools are too crowded and the teenagers do not abide by the social distancing regulations especially middle schoolers. Keeping the elementary schools at home would mean parents could not go out to work.
It seems that Corona is spread through the sewage system also, we are having an update from the Ministry of Health just now.
We actually got down to 5-10 new cases a day, that has increased towards 70-80 cases a day in the last week.

Thank you so much for the link magz I wouldn't know where to find it. I rely on the government links.

Makes sense that the spike is a result of reopening schools, the spikes in detected cases seem to lag about a week after actual spreading.
Sewage system does not contribute to spreading (unless it's really badly designed) but it's useful to monitor coronavirus spreading before tested cases emerge: https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05 ... outbreaks/
So, if your government mentions more covid RNA detected in sewers, it means increased number of cases is approaching. Israel seems very progressive in such areas, they may indeed use this method.


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29 May 2020, 10:54 am

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Yeah: that’s because our government are currently choosing to give greater weight to the concerns of their party’s financial backers than to those of their medical & scientific advisors.

We’re going to continue with our restricted lifestyle regardless of what they say in anticipation of a second wave of cases a few weeks after they start opening everything.



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29 May 2020, 11:09 am

Yes, Israel is likely doing it... from the article I linked:

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But the idea was old hat even then—Israel has been monitoring sewage for signs of polio outbreaks since 1989, and it detected outbreaks in 1991, 2002, and 2013.

It's logical they're using this tool now, too.


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30 May 2020, 4:06 am

Can someone explain to me why certain senior medical professionals are insisting that Corona is no more dangerous than flu and are claiming that the "scare mongering" Ministry of Health is over-reacting?
It seems that all kinds of medical "has beens" are crawling out of the woodwork for a brief moment of controversy and fame.

This is encouraging most people to disregard the regulations because they obviously want the freedom to do what they want whenever they want so they choose to ignore the hard facts.
I see recovering Corona patients interviewed on TV and they look like zombies, do not have the strength to even talk, have lost the ability to walk and have laboured breathing even a month after "recovery" from the virus. They have suffered from massive amounts of blood clots in their lungs, kidneys, and other vital organs. Loss of speech and sense of taste which indicates involvement of the brain and cranial nerves and CVA due to blood clots. This includes young people. This is not like the flu.

Is this irresponsible attempt to play down Corona occurring in other countries also? Why would professors highly regarded in the echelons of medicine and science endorse such theories and mislead the simple people who can't tell the BS from the truth?


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30 May 2020, 4:29 am

it is a wicked world awash in bloodymindedness and callous betrayals on a dime, when there is the almighty buck involved it seems that people make strange bedfellows with other strangers. that is why you see medicos who should know the hell better say stuff like that ("covid19 no worse than typical flu"). somebody with deep pockets is paying these folks off in exchange for pushing a certain political line. a person generally is not gonna contest something when his pay depends on him not contesting.



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30 May 2020, 6:06 am

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