I feel that my feelings towards others are abnormal.
Because the SBC's test measured cognitive empathy - ability to read other people's emotional states.
Being concerned about them happens on different level.
It's like being deaf vs hearing but not caring. A deaf person can care very much for what someone says - but still may have serious difficulty receiving the message.
I don't think I have difficulties with empathy but I confuse empathy with sympathy as to me they are the same thing.
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In my case, I tend to feel empathetic when I've actually experienced the topic of the empathy. I use my moral compass in my empathy---but I do a lot better if I've actually experienced a situation.
I tend to feel sympathy a lot. This is based on my moral sense, rather than my experience, especially at "first glance."
I lacked empathy when I was younger----especially before I became a teenager---primarily because I hadn't experienced much in life.
I had a superficial sympathy as a child---but it didn't extend beyond myself. I couldn't think from another person's viewpoint as a child.
I still remember kind of solipsism from my early childhood - thinking "I am. I see and think. Wow. Others just interact with me. Do they see and think the way I do? Maybe not?"
Apparently, as a small child, I didn't really feel strong connection to other people - not as strong as to my own thougths.
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This is what I'm talking about. Are you implying that your empathy works this way because you're autistic? Because it seems that a lot of NTs seem to only feel empathetic towards people who have actually experienced the same as them.
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I feel like what I stated above is somewhat "normal"---but that some people with Asperger's/Autism may exhibit this to a greater degree than some NT's. I started feeling empathy, probably, at a later age than average.
There are some NT's who really have no empathy at all----or else they don't feel their empathetic feelings are worthy of their time.
I feel like NT's and autistic folks sometimes exhibit differences in the empathy realm----but one should definitely NOT conclude that people on the Spectrum do not experience empathy. It's possible that, on average, they experience empathy at a later age---like I did.
This is really too complex for anyone to make any sort of general, blanket statement about whether or not a certain group of people have, or do not have, empathy. Anybody who makes this sort of statement should be ignored.
I think empathy can be subjective with NTs. Some people may feel empathy for one situation but not for another. It's what I notice in different NT people all the time. Some people who aren't afraid of spiders themselves criticise me because I am afraid of spiders, where as others who aren't afraid of spiders understand that I'm afraid of spiders and don't get on my case about it. After all, being afraid of spiders is rather common. I'm not afraid of other things that people are commonly afraid of, like rats or snakes, but I don't criticise people who are afraid of those. I just understand and move on.
But people who don't understand the fact that I'm scared of spiders doesn't make that person identify as lacking empathy as a whole person. They just lack empathy for that one thing, but may empathise with me on a different subject, like me being anxious in crowds or something. Usually people typically have more empathy if they feel the same way about something. Some NTs don't always understand that some people are more sensitive than others, and they expect them to not be sensitive.
Usually bullying is caused by lack of understanding. And I don't mean teasing because one has big ears or something. I mean really harmful bullying that goes on for years, like emotional bullying or physical bullying. Some Aspies here have wrote what bullies have done to them in the past, not just in school but in adulthood too, and it sounded absolutely despicable and I just don't know how those bullies sleep at night. And the way I see it bullying is a very selfish thing to do indeed.
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I feel like, most of the time, bullies bully because they want to bully. Their intentions are not good. I would never give a pass to a bully, even though the bully might have had a tough home life or childhood or whatever. There's no excuse for bullying.
I feel like a considerable amount of empathy to certain people is based on motivation. And, like you said, on "common ground."
You would say it *IS* a bad thing, if you were a victim of them as many times as I have been.
Psychopaths don't *have to* be bad.
They choose to be.
I've been a victim of a psychopath before too. He was an evil, wicked person who preyed on vulnerable, young girls. He deserves to be locked up, only he gets away with his evil deeds because he's so good at lying that he can even convince the police that he's the victim instead of the villain. Everyone called him a psychopath who lacked empathy. I don't want to be compared with a guy like that, just because I have an ASD (he wasn't ASD).
Well, they lie so well because they have no conscience.
I think they can even fool a lie detector test.
I consider myself good at working people out, but that doesn't work on a psychopath because they don't have genuine feeling of guilt/remorse, etc.
It is not their fault that they are born that way.
Not all psychopaths are evil people.
But that doesn't change my concern they will change in an instance if you get on the wrong side of them.
With my history of being a victim of predatory psychopaths, I'll just avoid them.
The reason I avoid everyone, these days, in real life, has a lot to do with them.
Sorry.
A thumbs down to psychopaths and sociopaths.
Let someone more qualified handle them, assuming they need support.
I feel like a considerable amount of empathy to certain people is based on motivation. And, like you said, on "common ground."
The assumption is, that your definition of what a bully is, is valid.
There are some NT's who really have no empathy at all----or else they don't feel their empathetic feelings are worthy of their time.
I feel like NT's and autistic folks sometimes exhibit differences in the empathy realm----but one should definitely NOT conclude that people on the Spectrum do not experience empathy. It's possible that, on average, they experience empathy at a later age---like I did.
This is really too complex for anyone to make any sort of general, blanket statement about whether or not a certain group of people have, or do not have, empathy. Anybody who makes this sort of statement should be ignored.
I have extreme empathy for people I care about.
I have a hard time empathizing. I used to think I lacked empathy, but I later realized that it's more that I can only empathize with experiences that I myself have been through. So if someone discusses being abused by a doctor or shunned by peers, I can empathize, for example. So there are certain situations that I have been through that pull very strongly on my empathy. But if there are situations that I haven't experienced (ie, a death of a loved one) I am concerned for the other person, but I don't feel much empathy.
I used to think I was a narcissist or had ASPD, but I've read that those types don't feel much guilt. Okay, I feel a lot of guilt all of the time. If I think that I've hurt someone else's feelings, I can't stop thinking about it. It's not that I'm worried that that person won't like me (though that's true too), I just feel really bad. I revisit painful memories of all sorts, including ones where I did something wrong. So I feel remorse a lot. But it's really hard for me to feel empathy for people whose experiences are different from mine and it's hard to feel strong affection on a day-to-day basis for people. Even when I feel love for people it's wrapped in guilt (am I doing enough to make them happy?)
So it feels like I feel empathy mainly when:
1. Someone else has been through what I have been through.
2. I've done something wrong to them.
3. I love them (but like also I feel guilty)
When someone is talking about something I haven't been through, I want to be a good listener but it feels mechanical and not natural. Am I a narcissist or are my feelings normal? I really do not want to be a bad person.
This is definitely not narcissism or ASPD, I used to think similarly. It's not true though, I think struggling to empathize with people is a part of autism. I don't either feel strong affection. Though to be fair i could be but not be emotionally intelligent enough to pick it up. You're feelings don't seem that abnormal for someone with autism. I feel guilt too. That's nothing abnormal really. It's simply not true.
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