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aussiebloke
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24 Jun 2010, 7:08 pm

Lau says :

Some members treated it (the troll) quite cynically. When these members do this in future, there is a strong possibility that they will immediately be banned, The Haven is not the place for cynicism

Well may be a banning goes to far ? To the cynical people why not give people the benefit of the doubt all it takes is a few kind words/ encouragement to get people through a difficult period so why not I say ?

Well I got that from a member here (she knows who she is :) ) I did ask her If she thought I was a troll and not for one moment did she believe I was . 8)



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24 Jun 2010, 8:02 pm

It's been quite some time since I've posted on this thread but, thought I'm sincerely glad that the Haven is here on WP for, in all honesty I've actually been heckled for having depression even by fellow aspies.Still, I trty to be humanly nice unto all people.. :)



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26 Jul 2010, 5:46 pm

Words have great power. They entertain, educate, enlighten, sell products, plea for help and compassion and friendship... or the can impart great harm. I.e. Hitler`s words... look at what they caused!
Let`s be kind to eachother. We all love a word of encouragement. Let`s be friends and have a great on line social life!
We have enough of a rough time in the nt world. We don`t need our on line wp world to be a hostile place, too.
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28 Jul 2010, 2:58 am

One thread that is not so serene is BOMBING MY OFFICE.
To the moderator, please check it out.
After posting an intelligent anti gun message, I am scared to post again. I just don`t know who is really reading and so touchily replying.
If this is a troll item or not, I truly regret appearing on these people`s radar.
Who is for real or not?
Who knows.
But when it comes down to guns and touchy, armed autistics posting on touchy DANGEROUS BOB`S thread are down right scary.

Personally, I tend to think it is a troll. But maybe it`s not.



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28 Jul 2010, 10:17 am

Oops... the name of the BOMBING MY OFFICE guy is Beware the Bob.
The gun talk is quite touchy.
Given the nature of some people on line, I feel that a suggestion of arming one self is inappropriate. We don`t need to be promoting or even suggesting carrying guns on the Haven.
That is just my opinion.



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28 Jul 2010, 10:21 am

delete



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28 Jul 2010, 6:08 pm

Screw the trolls.



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04 Sep 2010, 4:05 pm

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I apologize in advance for the continuation of this disturbing topic, but I feel that I must reply. I promise it will become clearer in a moment. Also please do not misunderstand, this is not a specific response to one poster but a general reply to a very dangerous concept brought up by a poster.

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You are missing the point, like so many others. Text on a screen cannot physically harm anyone, it's just words. Emails can be blocked/deleted, forums can be ignored; it really makes me wonder about the mental state of people who take the internet and mobile phone texting so seriously that they need to hide themselves away in a panic room or commit suicide. I was taught that sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never harm me. Is anyone throwing stones on the net? is anyone shooting through cameras like guns? No. The internet is a cyber world, a playground, and is not real. Therefore, if you feel offended by any comment or text message or email, walk away. There are more things in life than computers and mobile phones; it's a pity the younger generation hasn't woken up to this fact. If they did, then they might feel better.


Voltaire, you are indeed correct - word are harmless. Just like a drop of water, Right? Please try a little experiment for me. Lay on a flat table, over the table suspend a hose or large bag. Set the bag or hose dripping at about one drop per second. Now lay perfectly still for several hours.

Here's the thing, a drop of water will never hurt or kill you but after twenty minutes your skin under where the drops are falling will burn. After several hours the skin will begin to break down causing bruising and deeper tissue damage. Over the course of several days those innocuous little drops of harmless water can actually kill. It is the same with words, a single insult can wash off like a little drop of water - but when these drops, these words, come one after the other in quick succession over a sustained period it can cause deep psychological harm turning an otherwise healthy person into an "unbalanced" person who is capable of suicide.

Again you are correct - emails can be deleted and forums avoided. But again you are also incorrect. Once the 'Water Torture' has begun it does not require water anymore. After an hour remove the bag or hose and have someone press firmly on the same spot - the damage caused to the tissues will continue. What does this mean, well even if you don't read but delete an email the fact it has come will be like another drop, even though you don't visit a forum knowing that the person will still be posting things on there (probably about the same topic) will be like another drop. Once you start the cycle it is very hard to break. So if someone has been subjected to bullying or aggressive behaviour elsewhere and come here and are subjected to more of the same, without knowing it those posting are re-enforcing a very dangerous and harmful cycle that should be broken as soon as possible.

But here is the paradoxical thing about it - take away the bag or hose and the person pressing on the same spot and the tissue damage will still continue! The body will need to destroy and reassimilate the damaged tissue so that it able to replace it. Although many people would like to think so, the working of the mind is not that dissimilar to the body. One must “go through hell” and “keep going” (Churchill) before they can return to a healthy frame of mind. Insults, accusations, words basically, are like the drops of water on the skin. One, two, three or so are harmless but when those words are constant no matter the angle or source it will cause harm. One word/drop will wash off, hundreds will cause harm, thousands WILL kill.

To say that text/words cannot harm is to underestimate not only the power of words but the collective effects of those words. How many times in human history have great speeches polarised a nation into single purpose during war (Churchill), rallied people to civil rights causes (Martin Luther King), reduced men to tears (Vest) or changed a countries view of itself (Lincoln). Yet when these speeches are transcribed do they lose their power? No. The same applies to word designed to tear down an individual, spoken or text these words still have great power.

To address the main discussion of this post, should people be wrapped in cotton wool or exposed to the hard truths of life - the answer is both. There are two ways to teach someone that the saw will cut their hands off if they misuse it, A) show them the right way and wrong way to use it, demonstrate safely the potential safety issues and allow them to master it in a controlled manner, or B) cut their hand off. I know this is an over simplification of the situation when it comes to these sort of issues but it rather nicely illustrates the point. When it comes to delivering a hard truth one does not need to cut off the hand looking for comfort to teach a lesson.



This post made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

You should be proud . . .



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04 Sep 2010, 4:16 pm

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I'm sorry, I don't believe you really want to kill yourself. People who really want to kill themselves don't usually talk about it. People who talk about it usually want someone to talk them out of it.


This is a potentially dangerous myth.
Just because someone talks about suicide does not mean that they are not seriously thinking about it or that they will not do it.
I have done some training in suicide intervention (ASIST) and more research.
Personally I have known people take their own lives, sometimes they talked about it and sometimes they didn't.

I feel if someone talks about it, you should always assume it's a possibility and respond accordingly.



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03 Nov 2011, 3:23 am

never mind...



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29 Mar 2012, 9:31 pm

This is the last time that I share anything in here. I was basically insulted by a user that should have called themselves mother superior. I am glad that I am not suicidal.


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29 Mar 2012, 11:53 pm

artrat wrote:
This is the last time that I share anything in here. I was basically insulted by a user that should have called themselves mother superior. I am glad that I am not suicidal.


I saw that and it was completely over the line. I am going to say something on that thread to them. I didn't post when I first read it because I was about to go do something, then forgot until I read this thread.

I haven't seen you do or say anything here that was mean. I haven't seen you be a jerk or whatever he was accusing you of. I'm wondering if he got you mixed up with somebody else, or was just pissed off in general and taking it out on you.

Whatever it was, don't let one a**hole comment stop you from posting. Ignore him.


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18 Jun 2012, 12:28 am

tigerlily wrote:
MrMark wrote:
I'm sorry, I don't believe you really want to kill yourself. People who really want to kill themselves don't usually talk about it. People who talk about it usually want someone to talk them out of it.


This is a potentially dangerous myth.
Just because someone talks about suicide does not mean that they are not seriously thinking about it or that they will not do it.
I have done some training in suicide intervention (ASIST) and more research.
Personally I have known people take their own lives, sometimes they talked about it and sometimes they didn't.

I feel if someone talks about it, you should always assume it's a possibility and respond accordingly.


I am in compete agreement that its a complete myth. I will speak for my self as not to stir up any more dispute. I personally have limited reasons not to commit suicide and if some thing were to take them away I would shove off from my mortal toils in half a heart beat. If you were to meet me now you would never be aware of whats going on in side me. I will not go to a counselor or to my Dr for such problems and do feel better knowing others feel the same way or are going thru the same problems. As to trolls treat others like they aren't till the revel them selves other wise you may be signing some ones death slip. Id rather wast my time with a troll than wish I heard some ones cry for help!
Rant off.



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11 Jul 2012, 1:36 am

Trolls will be trolls. That's all I'll say, and I quote from "The Rulez of The Internetz"

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.



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06 Jan 2013, 7:14 pm

Thank you sooo much! Yeah, there is this person who keeps posting degrading pictures on my threads instead of an answer of any kind... I am trying to igonore the person, but it is quite counterproductive and rude.



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21 Feb 2013, 1:33 am

If it seems that I'm spamming Sweet Peas in The Haven, I apologize because I can't think of any logical advice to give anybody. I'm not the logical type, I'm the sensitive type.


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