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lotusblossom
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06 Dec 2008, 4:00 pm

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Thanks for answering my question, btw. I'm curious about the story behind the profile gender, to be honest.


I was been accused here by couple of girls that I am sexist so I changed my profile's gender to female to prove that I feel equal to a female and not ashamed to show that.


Lovely one, I happily withdrew my sexism accusation.

anyway, your boss sucks, I dont know what you could do to resolve the situation. I think the worst thing is that they were patronising you by asking you to interview people to improve your social skills.

Dont forget, there is nothing wrong with you, other peoples reactions are a reflection of their issues not yours!



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06 Dec 2008, 4:28 pm

lotusblossom wrote:
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Thanks for answering my question, btw. I'm curious about the story behind the profile gender, to be honest.


I was been accused here by couple of girls that I am sexist so I changed my profile's gender to female to prove that I feel equal to a female and not ashamed to show that.




Dont forget, there is nothing wrong with you, other peoples reactions are a reflection of their issues not yours!


I am not quite sure about this anymore...



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06 Dec 2008, 6:34 pm

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^^didn't get it.


Ah, ok. Let me elaborate then. I used a sarcastic pun as a quick and amusing retort to the implied claim that heterosexual marriage is "proof" that someone is not gay. I tried to cleverly highlight the irony of similar forms of "proof" but relating it to the numerous republican anti-gay politicians who have been "outed" as gay, or whose homosexual behavior was publicized.

Here's a short quick list of a few, http://www.badmouth.net/top-five-republican-gay-sex-scandals/ . Ted Haggard is an amusing example, though not a republican politician. He's merely a married and (formerly) famous pastor in an evangelical mega church known for his strong anti-gay views.


I should stress that my initial comment too was somewhat facetious. However it brings up an interesting point about who exactly it is that considers good looks to be so important. Is it guys judging girls, or girls judging guys, or is it oddly men judging other men in a male dominated world?

I know of some straight people who will freely judge one man as more attractive than another, and they can often agree with gays. However, almost always, they are very open and secure in their sexuality, and can clearly distinguish between beauty and sexuality from experience. These sort of people are rare, and always carry around with them, a sense of "maturity" and "enlightenment".

I somehow doubt that most seemingly straight men who make innapropiate decisions based on the attractiveness of other men are like the above people I have met. I suspect there is an underlying unexamined sexuality that is at the root of the same sex appearance discrimination by straights.

Now, how does this compare to gays in their hiring practices and what-not? What of opposite sex hiring practices? I suspect those two situations are a little different because of the tendency of men to look down on women.

As a bi guy, I would certainly give an attractive guy a lot of attention in an interview or something, or treat him well. But if I really wanted what I wanted, I would not hire him. That's just moronic. Where's the "sexual harassment panda" when you need him! (reference to the south park parody of "smokey the bear"). However, if you are not in touch with your desires, and what you want, you will tend to act irrationally.



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07 Dec 2008, 8:34 am

^ he might be a bi as well but in denial, I can't tell. =P But yea ....this is not the first time I heard him saying "this guy is handsome" 8O.



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07 Dec 2008, 5:27 pm

As to your stature, people sometimes use the phrase 'small, but perfectly formed'.



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08 Dec 2008, 1:02 pm

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No. I suspect that you will be tasked with his training. Depending on how you handle it, you can set him up for embarrassment or for becoming your next supervisor.

For the former, give him the "official" training in writing, and direct him to study it on his own, while deliberately giving him verbal mis-information regarding everything he is expected to know. When confronted, deny everything except that you "went by the book" in his training. This should work if you already have the reputation for doing things "by the book," which it seems you do.

For the latter, just give him everything he needs to know to do his job in a helpful, honest, and straightforward manner. No one will ever even suspect that you've sabotaged your own career by giving Mr. GQ everything he needs to dominate your position.

The choice is yours. Make it a good one.

What benefit I would get If I cause him embarrassment?

He'll be less likely to be given a position of authority over you, and others will be more likely to come to you for "real" help. It's all about job security.

Now, while I do not believe that supplying misinformation to a potential rival is ethical behavior, the alternatives may not be something you'd tolerate for very long.


Exactly that's why you don't do it. :roll:
Fnord Go f**** justify your own unethical behavior somewhere else. :lol: To me it sounds like you have done bad things in the past and you are trying to justify them as ok to make it easier to live with yourself. :wink: (You have your own morals and values, you don't know other peoples morals and values) :lol:

LPP the guy got hired because he has got presentation skills and that will be good when dealing with customers. They are good skills to have.
But like you said the guy was bad mouthing his ex boss and scored poorly in other areas so I think you are right that he shouldn't have got the job and I think you were correct with you decision process. But it wasn't your call.

Anyhow WHF? You don't rate your physical appearence because you are small. Aren't you successful in your work life? You sound like you have a good job and are well respected by your pairs.. :?

Is it fair that some people are more intellegent than others? Is it fair that some people have talents and some people don't?

At the end of the day all you can do is make the best with what you have.


Update:
I realized more that guy is a good person and very friendly, he's becoming a good friend of mine.

Maybe I was wrong...

Either way, I won't do Fnord's plan ,not only because it's unethical, but it won't work anyways. It would do more harm to me than benefit.



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08 Dec 2008, 1:48 pm

While in a perfect world we would be judged on our abilities, in this world one's appearance and interaction is one of those abilities being examined. Their priorities in hiring were obviously different than yours; that doesn't make your criteria invalid, just that you need to get into a position where you can have a productive influence. Glad you kept an open mind, and that you're getting along with your new coworker.


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09 Dec 2008, 4:55 am

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just that you need to get into a position where you can have a productive influence.


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09 Dec 2008, 5:07 am

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Yes I saw on a documentary that in many work places people are judged by their looks more than their skills as they did some tests.

It wasn't so much that the ones that were good-looking were hired but rather the ones up to par with their looks and "brilliant personality" if anyone's seen that ad.

I have to say in my line of working though, that most of the employess and bosses I've had do try and be fair and know about this and yes we've had a lot of ignorant bosses and supervisors basing from face value rather than skills.

Don't know what positive feedback to give except that the world has never been fair about anything including things I won't disclaim here that I've seen happen at my job. But I wonder if you haven't brought this up before...not to say you haven't to your boss or supervisor or other employees. Just mainly through observatrion, I also have to add that attractive people..not pretty or ugly but people who look as you put it "pop stars" aren't always based just on the look that's plain to see but their status quo ($$$$). Takes a lot for some people to look that good as I've personally seen with some of the people I've had outings that I worked with. Most of these "beautiful celebreties" were so uptown that I just couldn't believe the ungodly crap they could afford or used to their advantage. So yes, some of this is not JUST a judgement on the way they look as it is also a judgement of their status in life. Unfair but true.

Not sure if there's anyway you can document this everytime it happens. That's ashame if there's so much of it going on in your work place and they're not already aware of this strange inconspicuous but true discrimination. Some of the work places I've been in are becoming more aware of it and do talk about it.

Anyway, I can kind of relate to this cos I've seen it happen all too often in some places I've worked at. Like I said human beings are naturally like that about many things without realizing. All you can do is sort of educate other people about this like you did on this board just by talking about it and...at least over here we've had documentaries on this issue similar issue to your situation brought up.


I would be accused as insecure if I bring up something like this, some very hidden taboos can't be brought openly without being accused with names and being backfired because society is not aware of it yet, things would become worse for me. For example, where I live , I can't defend homosexuals without being seen as one and treated as one.

The only thing I can do is to object about the salary issue but I won't bring the looks issue.



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09 Dec 2008, 9:37 pm

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I long for the kind of man back where I was born.

^^ then go back to your original country.

'machoistic' is a common trait in religious cultures ...it's not about the location.


Macho, macho man! Do you long to be a macho man? topic

That is what Greentea wrote. Why surprised?


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10 Dec 2008, 1:14 am

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machoistic' is a common trait in religious cultures ...it's not about the location.


Sounds true.


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10 Dec 2008, 6:45 am

It's true. I was surprised at how quickly I was hired for three jobs these holidays. And how all of the responses came from the second version of my resume, which included a small ID photo of myself (but to be fair, also was an improved version of my resume).

It could have been because of any number of reasons, but my strongest suspicion is that I was hired so quickly because of my appearance and manner. I have a very normal, sort of neutral mildly attractive appearance, which I suspect people go for when hiring employees.


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10 Dec 2008, 3:46 pm

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It's true. I was surprised at how quickly I was hired for three jobs these holidays. And how all of the responses came from the second version of my resume, which included a small ID photo of myself (but to be fair, also was an improved version of my resume).

It could have been because of any number of reasons, but my strongest suspicion is that I was hired so quickly because of my appearance and manner. I have a very normal, sort of neutral mildly attractive appearance, which I suspect people go for when hiring employees.


Should I have to attach your photo to my resume when I apply for another job? :P



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10 Dec 2008, 3:47 pm

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I long for the kind of man back where I was born.

^^ then go back to your original country.

'machoistic' is a common trait in religious cultures ...it's not about the location.


Macho, macho man! Do you long to be a macho man? topic

That is what Greentea wrote. Why surprised?


What the hell you are talking about? Stay on topic or say something with sense or just don't post.



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10 Dec 2008, 5:48 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
sartresue wrote:
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I long for the kind of man back where I was born.

^^ then go back to your original country.

'machoistic' is a common trait in religious cultures ...it's not about the location.


Macho, macho man! Do you long to be a macho man? topic

That is what Greentea wrote. Why surprised?


What the hell you are talking about? Stay on topic or say something with sense or just don't post.


LPP - this is the Haven.

The post was on topic, added a little humor, and it is not up to you to determine who should post.


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10 Dec 2008, 5:49 pm

^ alright.