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21 Jan 2009, 5:08 pm

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I think it is a generational thing. People of my parent's generation had revolutions in the 60s and there was the civil rights movement. When my father was 25 it was inconceivable that a white man marry a non-white woman. He did that and his parents didnt speak to him for 10 years. Eventually they got over it.

Now they are the parents of adult children and the world is changing too fast for them. Gender, sexuality and neurology are the new issues of today our parents are facing.


I know this is kind of off-subject but I noticed that you are ENFP. I myself am in the middle of ENFP / ENFJ. Small world. ;)



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21 Jan 2009, 8:29 pm

Cool. There are not a lot of ENFP/ENFJs on the board. I have noticed a few. But it doesnt seem to be a common aspie personality type.

There are even fewer ENFPs than ENFJs. I am the only one I know of. I think it is because extrovert aspies are more likely to conclude they have ADD.



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21 Jan 2009, 8:51 pm

Really? Wow. I feel that I'm ADD at times and OCD when I'm extremely nervious.

My favorite personality type is ENTP. That's basicly the same personality as a person with a cartoonish screwball smart allicy personality.

Fictional characters with this personality include:

Tank Girl
Bugs Bunny
Haruko (of FLCL)
Groucho Marx (Character not the actor)
Bart Simpson (most classic episodes / other times he was ENFP)


also Brookers (non-fictional) of YouTube fame I believe is ENTP.



I'm curently studying both the ENTP personality type and Women who identify as the Masculine Gender and putting the two elements together.

Personally it would be the ultimate soul mate for me. I know it's just luck and fantacy but I can dream, can't I? LOL ;P



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21 Jan 2009, 11:18 pm

I think another example of ENTP is Dr House.

My brother is an ENTP. I have difficulty relating to him, but he is pretty funny.



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24 Jan 2009, 10:32 am

I'm starting to realize why I'm so angry with my parnets.

It's because they are introverted and that tends to make me feel uncomfortable.
Becuase I don't understand introverted scilent cues, facial expressions and body language.

Maybe that's the big reason why I feel so Stressed out and full of anxiety.


I'm very extroverted, it's like if language can't be said, I don't understand anyone!

Please, if anyone can relate.

Please help me and give me some tips that I can use to deal with two introverts (my parents) for the next 6 months until I leave.



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14 Feb 2009, 10:41 pm

I guess I'm doing okay. I'm starting to focus a little bit on my single life. Esspecially it being Valentine's Day and all. Like I've mention previously, I'm only attracted to women to identify as Masculine. No Femininty for me. I need a strong Tomboy in my life. I want to be more submissive. I wished I could dress more feminine or cross-dress a little bit just to capture a straight butch's attention.

I've been thinking about the perfect marrage for me. I would someday like to addopt a child. But not until I'm married to a Masculine Butch Tomboy.
I always see myself not as the husband, but more of the wife figure and her being the supporting husband.

I know it's strange to most of you but that's just the way I am.



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15 Feb 2009, 5:44 pm

Even though HATE is kind of a strong word to use agenst parents that provide you with food, shelter, money for college, health benifits, etc., When you have Asperger's Syndrome and your personality type is completely different from theirs, it seems like the strong words is okay to use within this cercomstance.

I don't know if my parents are angry with me but I can see why they should be angry with me. I'm starting to talk less to my parents even if they want to be extroverted for the moment. I don't care.

I feel that we don't have anything in commin but the main reason is that I still have to hide the fact that I'm not so called "Hetero-Normal" even if my parents want me to be. It's like I have to keep playing pretend, pretend that I'm a heterosexual Masculine man who loves feminine women. I'm no Masculine man, I'm Androgyne / Bigender and I love Masculine Women (women who dress, talk and behave like "typical" men). Plus I feel feminine when I think or see them and I often dream myself dressed as a feminine women. I know that this sounds strange and funny but I can't help it. No need to talk to my parents or a Quack about this because that's saying that I've got a problem that I want fixed. It's just the way I am.

Like I've said bunches of times before, my parents are homophobic and possibly transphobic as well. My father never speaks or communitcates with anyone who is not considered normal in these terms so imagion if his only son resorted in these kinds of things, So basicly, he'll never speak to me ever again.

My Step Mother doesn't like Butch Women, so there goes my other half. One discrimination agenst me and the other to my future life partner.

My thought is that my parents are never going to find any of this stuff out until I finally get married. But unfortunatly, there are days when they get clooser and clooser to the truth.


My parents are already conserned that I don't talk to them much, only if they ask me a question. And because of my AS, I might unfortuatly slip out the truth with pear pressure and anxiety.


I'm just tired and sick living in this hetero-normality house hold wearing these masculine clothes, needing to keep my hair short, can't experiment with some hair products and facial color. I'm not trying to say that I want to me a feminine women. I want to look more androgynous. I just sometimes have my moments at night.


Even though I got about 5 1/2 months until my appartment, it totally seems like it's going to take FOREVER and hiding in the closet becomes more and more hard to do.


When I go out with my job searching program, I try to hide most of my Androgyny / Tomboy stuff in my backpack and bring it with me just in case my parents got home and sometimes snop around my room.


I'm sorry if I keep repeteing myself but I feel that this website is one of the only places where I'm allowed to be myself without any shame.



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15 Feb 2009, 5:52 pm

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I love Masculine Women

I wish there were more with your preference.


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15 Feb 2009, 7:55 pm

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ericc wrote:
I love Masculine Women

I wish there were more with your preference.


Thanks *blush* LOL!

By the way, I took a look at one of your videos. Very interesting. ;)



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15 Feb 2009, 8:56 pm

I grew up sort of androgynous...It was even re-enforced by my mom who dressed me up like a boy when I was little. I played like a boy, idolized male characters...and so-on...
Eventually the harassment about being a lesbian got to be a bit much, so I started dressing more feminine once I reached high school.
I do wear makeup and skirts occasionally...and then my stage-persona is very feminine..
but I don't really feel like I am one gender or the other...I feel sort of different from both...
I am not a girly-girl OR a tomboy.

I have a bi-gendered Aspie-ish boyfriend. I have mentioned him in the past. He is awesome. I have referred to him as being "gender-queer"..but I think the term "bi-gendered" better suits him, because he is not completely feminine...he really has more of a duality to him...he is not always girlish all of the time. He does not mind the fact that I am not butch....though he has expressed an interest in "butchier" type girls...(we have an open relationship)..

I think he is a precious, rare and beautiful person. It sucks that he had to go through whatever hell he went through growing up in a tiny town in middle America where his sort was completely unheard of.

I love the equality I feel when I hang out with him...we are both left-handed aspie-types in our 30's who act like teenagers.

We talk about the troubles we have relating to other people in terms of gender. I told him that have a really really hard time making friends with girls. I simply can't understand them very well. All I know how to do is compliment them and give them things...to which he said "See? you're a boy!" He has the same trouble with "normal" girls...and he has a hard time relating to most guys.
I am sure it is tough when there is nobody around who is like you...but that is where counter-culture comes from. I am lucky to have a counter-cultural existence.

I don't what to say about your parents. I wish everyone could have really cool and accepting parents, and I am spoiled because I do. At least you are lucky enough to be able to go to college and escape from your home problems and whatnot.



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15 Feb 2009, 9:12 pm

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I grew up sort of androgynous...It was even re-enforced by my mom who dressed me up like a boy when I was little. I played like a boy, idolized male characters...and so-on...
Eventually the harassment about being a lesbian got to be a bit much, so I started dressing more feminine once I reached high school.
I do wear makeup and skirts occasionally...and then my stage-persona is very feminine..
but I don't really feel like I am one gender or the other...I feel sort of different from both...
I am not a girly-girl OR a tomboy.

I have a bi-gendered Aspie-ish boyfriend. I have mentioned him in the past. He is awesome. I have referred to him as being "gender-queer"..but I think the term "bi-gendered" better suits him, because he is not completely feminine...he really has more of a duality to him...he is not always girlish all of the time. He does not mind the fact that I am not butch....though he has expressed an interest in "butchier" type girls...(we have an open relationship)..

I think he is a precious, rare and beautiful person. It sucks that he had to go through whatever hell he went through growing up in a tiny town in middle America where his sort was completely unheard of.

I love the equality I feel when I hang out with him...we are both left-handed aspie-types in our 30's who act like teenagers.

We talk about the troubles we have relating to other people in terms of gender. I told him that have a really really hard time making friends with girls. I simply can't understand them very well. All I know how to do is compliment them and give them things...to which he said "See? you're a boy!" He has the same trouble with "normal" girls...and he has a hard time relating to most guys.
I am sure it is tough when there is nobody around who is like you...but that is where counter-culture comes from. I am lucky to have a counter-cultural existence.

I don't what to say about your parents. I wish everyone could have really cool and accepting parents, and I am spoiled because I do. At least you are lucky enough to be able to go to college and escape from your home problems and whatnot.


WOW, that's very interesting. By the way, next time you see your boyfriend. Ask him to email me at ericcrooks@sbcglobal.net, I would like to chat with him sometime.

I'm guessing that you might be Androgyne too. Not spicifficly Masculine nor Spicifficly Feminine. Interesting Story.

So when you say open relationship, does that mean you aren't really with him? I don't want to seem nosy or anything like that. I'm just curious.



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15 Feb 2009, 10:29 pm

I am older than you and it took me a while to reach this level, I was not always this way, and it's not for everyone.

I am "poly" I have two boyfriends. He is my "secondary" boyfriend. My other boyfriend is my partner who I live with and run businesses with. He has another girlfriend (sort of).

My bi-gendered friend...I get to see him once or twice a week. I talk to him every day and he will come over and hang out at my warehouse..Both my partners get along with each other...I just have to make sure that I don't pay too much attention to my second partner, which I can be inclined to do sometimes when he is around.

My second partner and I were friends for years before we became romantically involved.
Since I have another boyfriend, and I don't live with him, then it is not against the rules of our relationship if he sees other people. I love him, but I don't own him.

Unfortunately for him, his aspie traits make him very shy and awkward around most females... But should something ever come up... :wink:.... Though I would prefer that he tell me about it later...and as long as he stays my friend....I am...ok with it.

We are sorta more like BFWB (best friends with benefits)



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15 Feb 2009, 10:53 pm

I see. Also I'm just curious. Is there a term for Bi-gendered people who are attracted to female Masculinity? I've bee searching high and low.



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15 Feb 2009, 11:23 pm

There might not be a term for it, but there might be an inclination for bi-gendered guys to be attracted to female masculinity...or girls to be attracted to male femininity. It would make sense.

It is certainly one of the things I find attractive about my friend.



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16 Feb 2009, 2:25 am

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I guess I'm doing okay. I'm starting to focus a little bit on my single life. Esspecially it being Valentine's Day and all. Like I've mention previously, I'm only attracted to women to identify as Masculine. No Femininty for me. I need a strong Tomboy in my life. I want to be more submissive. I wished I could dress more feminine or cross-dress a little bit just to capture a straight butch's attention.

I've been thinking about the perfect marrage for me. I would someday like to addopt a child. But not until I'm married to a Masculine Butch Tomboy.
I always see myself not as the husband, but more of the wife figure and her being the supporting husband.

I know it's strange to most of you but that's just the way I am.


Gee, I wish there were more guys out there like you, Ericc!

If by some miracle I happen to find myself in a real honest-to-god relationship this would be an almost ideal situation. This is a very good thread.



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16 Feb 2009, 9:48 am

Androgynous is fun - I want to show that in the odd song here and there that I write.


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