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21 Apr 2010, 1:37 am

Your memories do not change the fact that the court does not hold trials without notifying the person concerned and without their participation and has no power to impose ball shrivelling on you, nor do courts write to people telling them they must get rid of their pornograpgy for a set period of time.

Maybe your mother told you to get rid of the porn and you assumed this was the content of the letter, maybe your mother told you nothing about porn and your memory is unreliable. You claim your mother now will not admit this incident and maybe that is because she does not remember it or she does not remember it being as you describe. Obviously the letter cannot have been to tell you to get rid of your porn for X amount of time so it must be the case that your memory or mother misled you some respect. Based on what you have to say about your mother, it's not unlikely that your memory is the culprit.

The point remains, the courts cannot have a trial behind your back, no one conducts surveilance of the kind you describe or in the circumstances you describe, and US courts do not order people to have their balls chemically shrivelled, much less that it be done without the explicit knowledge of the effected person.



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21 Apr 2010, 5:41 pm

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Your memories do not change the fact that the court does not hold trials without notifying the person concerned and without their participation and has no power to impose ball shrivelling on you, nor do courts write to people telling them they must get rid of their pornograpgy for a set period of time.

Maybe your mother told you to get rid of the porn and you assumed this was the content of the letter, maybe your mother told you nothing about porn and your memory is unreliable. You claim your mother now will not admit this incident and maybe that is because she does not remember it or she does not remember it being as you describe. Obviously the letter cannot have been to tell you to get rid of your porn for X amount of time so it must be the case that your memory or mother misled you some respect. Based on what you have to say about your mother, it's not unlikely that your memory is the culprit.

The point remains, the courts cannot have a trial behind your back, no one conducts surveilance of the kind you describe or in the circumstances you describe, and US courts do not order people to have their balls chemically shrivelled, much less that it be done without the explicit knowledge of the effected person.
it wasnt written in the letterr it was whene she talked to them that she learned what they wanted and expected of me. She never said that they where after me for more than porn charges.



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21 Apr 2010, 6:24 pm

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it wasnt written in the letterr it was whene she talked to them that she learned what they wanted and expected of me. She never said that they where after me for more than porn charges.

The courts would NEVER talk to your mom about any pending charges. They have to do that to you in person AND with legal counsel present. The laws are very clear on that and no court of appeals would allow your conviction to stand if the court had done what you think they have done.


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21 Apr 2010, 6:46 pm

HMD, what you are being told is true. Either your mom is deceiving you, you are expeiencing paranoid delusions, or there is such a major miscommunication that all reality is lost. If your mom is the only one who has said anything to you, my suspicion is that it is a means of control, and is not real. How long has this been going on?


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21 Apr 2010, 10:47 pm

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HMD, what you are being told is true. Either your mom is deceiving you, you are expeiencing paranoid delusions, or there is such a major miscommunication that all reality is lost. If your mom is the only one who has said anything to you, my suspicion is that it is a means of control, and is not real. How long has this been going on?


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she isnt a controlling person. never in my life has she done anything to control me. it just upsets me that eveyone will not beleve me. everything has to be a fantasy nothing is real. the truth is the truth. I am not a person who is a scatterbrain I am not a sever mentally disturbed person who should be looked at with a second glance but still this is the way people think. please listen to my words.



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21 Apr 2010, 11:39 pm

I do not think that you are a scatterbrain HelloMed, but what you describe is just not possible.

The courts simply cannot operate the way that you believe that they have. They cannot have a trial without your participation in such circumstances. They cannot order medical proceedures to shrivel your testicles without your knowledge and consent. They cannot make arrangements for your mother to pass on information to you in the manner you describe. They cannot rent the apartment next door to you to surveil you during a trial or after a trial in the manner you describe (nor would investigative surveilance proceed in the manner you describe). They cannot pass information to your work mates, or to people passing by your window. The courts do not have the authority, and law enforcement do no have the resources to conduct themselves as you describe.

The point that you need to keep in mind is that it is impossible for the courts to conduct themselves as you describe. They simply cannot do these things.



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21 Apr 2010, 11:55 pm

Seconded - not dismissing what you feel, but what you are describing does not make sense and is not permitted for those agencies. I am not attacking your mother either, but am asking if there is the chance of miscommunication or her acting in what she believes are your best interests. You did not answer how long this situation has been going on. Given Occam's Razor, your conclusion does not match the possibilities.


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22 Apr 2010, 3:49 pm

Hey Darrell, I'm just checking in on you. No one here is trying to make you feel stupid. They just want to show you the logical side of your situation so that you can begin to take control of these panic attacks by telling yourself how these things cannot be true. We can say this stuff over and over but you also have to tell yourself what really makes sense in order to get your anxiety under control.

The things you say about the letter, your porn stash, the probation, and the people talking about you and monitoring you, the chemical castration, all are in the category of "not logical". If you can filter out what is not logical you can calm yourslef down when these episodes happen and you start to feel anxious and panicky.



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22 Apr 2010, 11:04 pm

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Seconded - not dismissing what you feel, but what you are describing does not make sense and is not permitted for those agencies. I am not attacking your mother either, but am asking if there is the chance of miscommunication or her acting in what she believes are your best interests. You did not answer how long this situation has been going on. Given Occam's Razor, your conclusion does not match the possibilities.


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it could just be that they room mated with the people next door and wathched with somthing cheap to monitor me. what if I wasnt aware but they had been monitoring me from some program from the start of living in my apartment then teh naibor guy that I had problems with was messing with me because he was watching me.



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22 Apr 2010, 11:44 pm

The police are not allowed to room mate with the people next door to spy on someone. The law does not allow the police to spy on people willy nilly. There has to be a specific crime that is being investigated and further there has to be very good cause to believe that the surveilance will uncover evidence of that crime. Additionally the crime must be significant enough to justify both the use of resources and the invasion of the privacy of someone who is technically innocent. Unless it is a serious violent crime or involves significant monetary value, the police do not use surveilance to try to get evidence about someone on the basis of acts that took place as long ago as you describe.



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23 Apr 2010, 10:48 pm

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The police are not allowed to room mate with the people next door to spy on someone. The law does not allow the police to spy on people willy nilly. There has to be a specific crime that is being investigated and further there has to be very good cause to believe that the surveilance will uncover evidence of that crime. Additionally the crime must be significant enough to justify both the use of resources and the invasion of the privacy of someone who is technically innocent. Unless it is a serious violent crime or involves significant monetary value, the police do not use surveilance to try to get evidence about someone on the basis of acts that took place as long ago as you describe.


I dont know the reason I dont know how I just know that they are there. it wouldent cost a lot of money to have a police officer that was single live next door to you would it. they would be living just next door. as for servailence they could monitor my computer using tempist to pick up the electronic signals from my monitor to see what I am doing on my computer. both would be cheap.



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23 Apr 2010, 11:35 pm

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pandd wrote:
The police are not allowed to room mate with the people next door to spy on someone. The law does not allow the police to spy on people willy nilly. There has to be a specific crime that is being investigated and further there has to be very good cause to believe that the surveilance will uncover evidence of that crime. Additionally the crime must be significant enough to justify both the use of resources and the invasion of the privacy of someone who is technically innocent. Unless it is a serious violent crime or involves significant monetary value, the police do not use surveilance to try to get evidence about someone on the basis of acts that took place as long ago as you describe.


I dont know the reason I dont know how I just know that they are there. it wouldent cost a lot of money to have a police officer that was single live next door to you would it. they would be living just next door. as for servailence they could monitor my computer using tempist to pick up the electronic signals from my monitor to see what I am doing on my computer. both would be cheap.


Think again about how unlikely this is Darrell. They do major stings like this for serious offenders that are also serial offenders, not for someone who may have done something a decade or so ago. Certainly not for what you described, nor for owning porn or hentai.



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23 Apr 2010, 11:54 pm

I'm late to this thread, but just read the whole thing and hoped i might be able to offer a little bit of help.

There is a such thing as a warm line. you can call them and talk for as long as you need about whatever is on your mind. it is like a hot line only it is to listen to people with mental health issues. the phones are answered by other people with mental health issues too so they understand you.

to find one please see this site. Note: I am not sure the one listed in Oregon actually works, as I've tried it before. But some are nationwide.

http://buzz.freeshell.org/wlines/

Here is the Legal Aid website with phone numbers for Oregon
http://www.osbar.org/public/ris/LowCost ... alAid.html

Also if you feel like you are in crisis, and you need to talk to someone locally, you can call this crisis
line for St Helens, Oregon:

"Our Crisis Services are available to those in need. A crisis is generally defined as any mental and/or emotional state and/or behavior that endangers life or safety. If you are in need of a non-crisis appointment, please contact us at 503.397.5211.

For crisis intervention services please contact us at: 800.294.5211 or 1 (866) 866-1426 (after hours) and speak with a mental health therapist. If in crisis you can come to our main office at Creekside Center, 58646 McNulty Way, St. Helens, Oregon during business hours- Monday through Friday, 8 a.m. to 5 p.m.

Please dial 911 or local law enforcement if there is an emergency requiring law enforcement or immediate danger."

x`Maybe this would help you, too, if you could live with some people who were trained to help you, and could talk to you whenever you needed it 24/7:

http://www.columbiacommunitymentalhealt ... /main.html

I hope some of this helps. I hope the people at the crisis hotline can help answer some of your questions. They're local, so they'd know some of thre local laws, right? If you call them and tell them what's happening to you, and what medications you're on, they may know what to do.

Best of luck
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24 Apr 2010, 12:19 am

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I dont know the reason I dont know how I just know that they are there. it wouldent cost a lot of money to have a police officer that was single live next door to you would it.

Yes it would.



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24 Apr 2010, 11:33 pm

all I know is that somthing is going on and my naibors seem to know things and say things that upset me. it has been this way with multiple naibors and the only thing that makes sense is the fact the police are the common connection. I worry that somthing is goiing to happen



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all I know is that somthing is going on and my naibors seem to know things and say things that upset me. it has been this way with multiple naibors and the only thing that makes sense is the fact the police are the common connection. I worry that somthing is goiing to happen

No it is not the only thing that makes sense for two reasons. The first reason is that it does not make sense at all, and is in fact impossible. The other reason is that there are other explanations that do make sense.

One such explanation is that you are misinterpreting information, attributing significance and associations between information that is not significant or associated. This is something that commonly happens to people all the time. You describe that you have been stressed and it is common for this phenomenon to be more excessive when people are stressed, and false beliefs of a distressing kind are not unexpected when people are stressed out.