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10 Jul 2018, 10:56 am

I feel like you're "college material," Ezra.

I bet there are plenty of scholarships for disabled students.

I bet you and your family could do the research necessary to find them.

I'm thinking, perhaps, that you could take a "gap year."

Both Prince William and Prince Harry took "gap years" before they continued their education.



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10 Jul 2018, 11:00 am

@ASS-P: I'm confused about something.

Did you actually attend any of these colleges - State Univ of NY, Univ of Wisconsin Green Bay, and NYU, or did you fail trying to get into them?



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10 Jul 2018, 11:02 am

My impression is that he did not get into those colleges.

I know that he went to at least one college, though.



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10 Jul 2018, 11:16 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I feel like you're "college material," Ezra.

I bet there are plenty of scholarships for disabled students.

I bet you and your family could do the research necessary to find them.

I'm thinking, perhaps, that you could take a "gap year."

Both Prince William and Prince Harry took "gap years" before they continued their education.


I'll probably take a gap year or just one online course. I'm not ruling out college. I'm just saying what Ashariel was saying. Not everyone is college material. It's not an insult. It's just the way it is.



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10 Jul 2018, 11:41 am

Did you ever read the book about Temple Grandin's youth, Ezra, or see the movie starring Claire Danes? Temple's mother pushed her into college although Temple was very hesitant.

A gap year is not a bad plan, and another possibility is learning a marketable skill such as accounting. Although you might not see yourself as an accountant, having a credential or even just experience gives you many more choices in later life.

A lot of the "social life" associated with college is the administration's way of channeling crazy ideas and behaviors into football, dances, greek life, etc. so they don't all get pregnant, get married, and drop out. I guarantee you, the deans and department heads groan when they hear about the latest fraternity scandal on their campus. But a lot of that stuff is entirely incidental to having an educated and sophisticated brain. I don't actually think you'd be missing much by remote education - if you want to give it a try at some point.

And now we've hijacked the ASS-P thread into an Ezra thread, so let's toss this thing back to ASS-P. ASS-P, did you hear what has been said about the "college experience"?


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10 Jul 2018, 11:50 am

College is really cool if you have the right class or professor.

I went to a "commuter college"---so I had none of the "college experience."



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10 Jul 2018, 12:30 pm

Yay! Success!

The Registrar from ASS-P's high school just called me. She told me she couldn't release his transcripts to me but if he emailed her she'll send them to him. She then gave me her email address which I passed on to ASS-P. Hopefully, he'll follow up on that soon.



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10 Jul 2018, 12:51 pm

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Yay! Success!

The Registrar from ASS-P's high school just called me. She told me she couldn't release his transcripts to me but if he emailed her she'll send them to him. She then gave me her email address which I passed on to ASS-P. Hopefully, he'll follow up on that soon.


Transcripts are only “official” if they are sent directly from the school to the college. I worry that all this effort will be for nothing.


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10 Jul 2018, 3:04 pm

redrobin62 wrote:
Yay! Success!

The Registrar from ASS-P's high school just called me. She told me she couldn't release his transcripts to me but if he emailed her she'll send them to him. She then gave me her email address which I passed on to ASS-P. Hopefully, he'll follow up on that soon.


Cool! Congratulations on a job well done!

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Transcripts are only “official” if they are sent directly from the school to the college. I worry that all this effort will be for nothing.


I'm hoping the person who will send them realizes this. You would think they would know the difference.



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10 Jul 2018, 3:33 pm

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Did you ever read the book about Temple Grandin's youth, Ezra, or see the movie starring Claire Danes? Temple's mother pushed her into college although Temple was very hesitant.

A gap year is not a bad plan, and another possibility is learning a marketable skill such as accounting. Although you might not see yourself as an accountant, having a credential or even just experience gives you many more choices in later life.

A lot of the "social life" associated with college is the administration's way of channeling crazy ideas and behaviors into football, dances, greek life, etc. so they don't all get pregnant, get married, and drop out. I guarantee you, the deans and department heads groan when they hear about the latest fraternity scandal on their campus. But a lot of that stuff is entirely incidental to having an educated and sophisticated brain. I don't actually think you'd be missing much by remote education - if you want to give it a try at some point.

And now we've hijacked the ASS-P thread into an Ezra thread, so let's toss this thing back to ASS-P. ASS-P, did you hear what has been said about the "college experience"?


Here's the thing though that keeps this more on topic.

I have had very specialized private schooling. So all bases have been covered. While as people say I write well and am smart, I have never done well academically in most areas, despite the best provisions being made for me. I do poorly on scholastic aptitude tests. Which is why there's the chance that I am not college material. Grandin was a hidden genius or whatever. But in my case there's no hidden aptitude I have, it's all been thoroughly explored. Being an accountant is out because of my severe dyscalculia. Even when it comes to writing, I do poorly in english with understanding the phonics and grammar structure rules and all that. And I can only handle a limited workload. College is quite possibly something I am not cut out for. It's a good idea to be optimistic and give it a try and all that. But I think it's also a good idea to be realistic about what my actual limitations are. This would be a good idea for ASS-P as well I think.



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10 Jul 2018, 3:46 pm

...Briefly, I do want the education, I have tended to concentrate on the " experience ". in my talking here. I technically went to NYU for about 5 seconds, though I don't really count it :( . Whatever YT videos Ezra (I think) wanted me to watch, I believed they were clearly just things discouraging me from wanting to go to uni - That seemed to be already said verbally. It may be that my health, anyway, may make college undoable - There, is that " realistic " enough for you :( ? So the comment on my mother's comments/ actions to me I. 1978 mean that I DESERVED to come back home from cc and have her drunkenly scream at me - and say " I'm paying the bills! " when I pointed that out? :cry: A Nd put me away when she sobered up a little :cry: ? I have already thanked RR privately - even if I can never go, the transcripts could be a dream of what could have been :cry: .


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10 Jul 2018, 4:28 pm

redrobin62 wrote:
I need to clarify something.

ASS-P's high school did send transcripts to the colleges he'd applied to, but the transcripts, according to ASS-P, were not the satisfactory full ones. What he wants from me is to convince the school to send him the true transcripts because, according to him, they didn't do it right before.

There are two points I observe here. First, I don't know if his former high school has different types of transcripts that they send out, and second, would they even respect me as some kind of authority to comply with my request?

That's where everything stands now. Reaching the transcript-forwarding people at his former high school has been a trying event especially since the school district is on skeleton staff for the summer. Maybe things will work out once the school starts back in full later this year.


Sounds like horse sh*t to me. Did the schools he applied to actually tell him this directly? And why would the HS do that?


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10 Jul 2018, 4:30 pm

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So the reason ASS-P cannot request the transcripts is they screwed him before.

Therefore someone else, at a remove from the original request, should take over?

ASS-P, phone and explain exactly how the mishandling of your original request went, and calmly and politely negotiate for them to do the job correctly this time. You need to do this yourself, man. If you can't do this little thing for yourself, you are not college material, and need to find a more appropriate goal.

I don't care if you were raped as a kid, I don't care if you never got to have the college experience, I don't care if other kids had this done by their parents, I don't care if someone made you take psychiatric meds, the simple truth is: If you can't phone and get your transcripts sent to the college of your choice - you are not college material.


I totally agree with everything you say. So why when myself, Ez, and others told him this very thing did you call us BULLIES for it? I'm demanding an answer to this.


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10 Jul 2018, 4:35 pm

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...BA feels that my misfortune in having NIT GETTING a normal placement/availability of my transcripts makes me scum, and that, after my past experience of " trying it all alone " and having it blow up in my face, I must somehow overcome this bureau critics tar baby or I cannot do college work, with the fact that I am on the margins of society, have been scarred by what happened before, and am undersupplied in access to tech and knowledge :cry: . Two more people follow him up by banging their flagons and yelling " hear, hear! '" :ev
Okay, you hate me. :| You don't care. Check.
I was only now asking for a path to be cleared so that, once I know what I should do, I could contact my HS offices myself and ask for the TLPOP - and get them.
Earlier, I was cut off by a moderator, after someone's complaint IIRC, before I could explain what happened at NYU in 1995-96 :( . Ford came back here after he said he was going away.
After I internalize and figure out the information RR gave me, at some point I can try and contact the HS for my transcripts - which other people had a normal setup for, and help with, incidentally :( .


And here it is again. Someone tells you the straight up truth, and you twist everything they said, paint them as a bully and yourself as a victim, and say they hate you and don't care.

You are not even worth the time, except that your begging and panhandling needs to be shut down by the mods like they said they would.

Also I cant fathom why the mods allow you to talk to people like you do, it would result in warnings and deleted posts out of anyone else.


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10 Jul 2018, 5:07 pm

ASS-P wrote:
...Briefly, I do want the education, I have tended to concentrate on the " experience ". in my talking here. I technically went to NYU for about 5 seconds, though I don't really count it :( . Whatever YT videos Ezra (I think) wanted me to watch, I believed they were clearly just things discouraging me from wanting to go to uni - That seemed to be already said verbally. It may be that my health, anyway, may make college undoable - There, is that " realistic " enough for you :( ? So the comment on my mother's comments/ actions to me I. 1978 mean that I DESERVED to come back home from cc and have her drunkenly scream at me - and say " I'm paying the bills! " when I pointed that out? :cry: A Nd put me away when she sobered up a little :cry: ? I have already thanked RR privately - even if I can never go, the transcripts could be a dream of what could have been :cry: .


No one deserves to be screamed at, or abused.

By the same token, no one automatically 'deserves' to go to college, either. It's a privilege, that some people are fortunate enough to experience. Did I 'deserve' to go to college? Probably not. 'Deserve' has nothing to do with it.

Life circumstances happen - good and bad - and we deal with them as best we can.

But I'm glad to hear you're serious about the education aspect, and Robin has made fantastic progress in ascertaining that they DO in fact have your transcripts, and are willing and able to assist you with that issue. Whether having your own personal copy is 'official' or not, at least we now know they're not completely lost, so that's excellent news.

Hope you're feeling better - have they indicated how long they expect you'll be in the hospital?



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10 Jul 2018, 5:15 pm

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BeaArthur wrote:
Did you ever read the book about Temple Grandin's youth, Ezra, or see the movie starring Claire Danes? Temple's mother pushed her into college although Temple was very hesitant.

A gap year is not a bad plan, and another possibility is learning a marketable skill such as accounting. Although you might not see yourself as an accountant, having a credential or even just experience gives you many more choices in later life.

A lot of the "social life" associated with college is the administration's way of channeling crazy ideas and behaviors into football, dances, greek life, etc. so they don't all get pregnant, get married, and drop out. I guarantee you, the deans and department heads groan when they hear about the latest fraternity scandal on their campus. But a lot of that stuff is entirely incidental to having an educated and sophisticated brain. I don't actually think you'd be missing much by remote education - if you want to give it a try at some point.

And now we've hijacked the ASS-P thread into an Ezra thread, so let's toss this thing back to ASS-P. ASS-P, did you hear what has been said about the "college experience"?


Here's the thing though that keeps this more on topic.

I have had very specialized private schooling. So all bases have been covered. While as people say I write well and am smart, I have never done well academically in most areas, despite the best provisions being made for me. I do poorly on scholastic aptitude tests. Which is why there's the chance that I am not college material. Grandin was a hidden genius or whatever. But in my case there's no hidden aptitude I have, it's all been thoroughly explored. Being an accountant is out because of my severe dyscalculia. Even when it comes to writing, I do poorly in english with understanding the phonics and grammar structure rules and all that. And I can only handle a limited workload. College is quite possibly something I am not cut out for. It's a good idea to be optimistic and give it a try and all that. But I think it's also a good idea to be realistic about what my actual limitations are. This would be a good idea for ASS-P as well I think.


Those stupid standardized tests are intended to sort out the NT high school students. I solidly believe that they should not apply to people like us.


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