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03 Apr 2020, 5:49 pm

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Well it's just I a part of me is almost tempted to go out and get it cause then I get beat and then do not have to worry about getting others infected cause I already had it and can then just go out and work, and not have to worry so much then. But yes I shouldn't go out and get it, but it's tempting, just to be done with it.


ohhhh... that makes sense in a way..lol :)


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03 Apr 2020, 5:51 pm

Only in a very short sighted way.

It’s bad for public health as you may spread it accidentally. Don’t do it.


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03 Apr 2020, 5:52 pm

It's a joke yo.

I ordered a face cover intended for joggers...seems more reliable than the masks overall plus look better. range of colours. Mine will be purple, a nice shade of purple. Even though purple reminds me of the bad L because he wore it a lot.


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03 Apr 2020, 7:00 pm

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ironpony wrote:
Well it's just I a part of me is almost tempted to go out and get it cause then I get beat and then do not have to worry about getting others infected cause I already had it and can then just go out and work, and not have to worry so much then. But yes I shouldn't go out and get it, but it's tempting, just to be done with it.


Best to avoid getting it at all. What if you were to intentionally get it to ease your own anxiety by surviving it, but unintentionally pass it on to even one more person? Who then passes it on to someone who dies.

Basically, avoid getting it. IF you get it, quarantine and avoid spreading it. Heck, we’re all supposed to be acting like we have it and are trying not to spread it to anyone else, anyways.


Yes I meant if I went out and got it I would then quarantine myself for a few weeks before going back out. But yeah I won't go out and get it, it just seems to make sense to. Cause it seems that the virus keeps spreading and spreading and the only way to beat it, as to get it and develop those antibodies.



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03 Apr 2020, 7:08 pm

It’s rare....but there have been cases where people get it twice.



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03 Apr 2020, 7:11 pm

I wouldn’t seek to get COVID-19. It’s not the chickenpox.

Even if you’re healthy, you could wind up in the hospital or (rarely) die.



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03 Apr 2020, 7:26 pm

Well it's just with the spread of the virus I think we are all going to get it anyway, and it is inevitable. I can't lock myself in a house for the rest of life, so we are all going to get I think. Saying don't get the virus is like telling someone not to go down with the ship, when the ship is already in the middle of the Ocean is sinking. It's going happen at some point anyway, isn't it?



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03 Apr 2020, 7:51 pm

ironpony wrote:
Well it's just with the spread of the virus I think we are all going to get it anyway, and it is inevitable. I can't lock myself in a house for the rest of life, so we are all going to get I think. Saying don't get the virus is like telling someone not to go down with the ship, when the ship is already in the middle of the Ocean is sinking. It's going happen at some point anyway, isn't it?


Even IF eventually we Do all get it, the whole point of flattening the curve is to make sure that we don’t all get it At Once. Soooo, now would be the worst time to get it, while there’s very little herd immunity developed yet and healthcare systems are overwhelmed. That’s why we’re supposed to avoid getting it as long as possible right now in hopes that when we do eventually maybe get it, there aren’t that many people with it all at once and those with a severe case will have maximum probability of survival because medial resources will be available to treat them.

Make sense? :)


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03 Apr 2020, 8:02 pm

It makes sense for right now, but I think we as a society need to come up with a cut off point, where in a few months down the road, we say, okay, enough is enough we need to start the economy up and running again, in order to survive, regardless of the virus.

But no one seems to be interested in agreeing on a cut off point.



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03 Apr 2020, 8:12 pm

ironpony wrote:
It makes sense for right now, but I think we as a society need to come up with a cut off point, where in a few months down the road, we say, okay, enough is enough we need to start the economy up and running again, in order to survive, regardless of the virus.

But no one seems to be interested in agreeing on a cut off point.


Not true. Every government and health agency everywhere is working on that.

Whatever is done has to be done with epidemiologist’s input so we don’t f**k it up and kill more people than necessary. Obvi Right Now is the time to stay the f**k home and flatten the curve of the first wave. They’ll figure out what’s next as time goes on and daily data rolls in.

Also, there are other nerds working on modeling this, too. A few Doctors of engineering and various nerdy non medical disciplines at UBC have created a model that they hope might be used to decide how to do a stage by stage return to work and life that would then monitor number of C-19 cases and what to do about throttling restrictions on/off of numbers continue to rise. One example they gave was allowing people to go to restaurants again but only within 1km (approx .6 miles) from their home so that they can keep any outbreaks to a tight cluster.

The nurse that posted the link was critical of any get back to work and life measures right now especially since these guys that made the model are not medical doctors or epidemiologists. The guys that made the model are hoping that epidemiologists contact them and work together to improve it and utilize it. Time will tell if it ever gets used here or anywhere else.. but I assure you, nerds of all types from engineers to economists all over the world are nerding away on plans and schemes intended to get people back to work and life safely and healthily as soon as they can.


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03 Apr 2020, 8:28 pm

Well it's just that are these the same people who have tried to invent a vaccine for the common colds but have failed, and tried to invent one for HIV and failed? So what the odds that all of a sudden they are going to be successful with this one?

Also, it takes the FDA years to approve new medications, and I read it could take up to 12 years according to this article:

https://www.drugs.com/fda-approval-process.html

It says it can take an average of 12 years for FDA approval, and that's just an average, so can realistically expect to have one in less than a few years?



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03 Apr 2020, 8:34 pm

They’ll have a vaccine for this. It’s more like flu viruses, for which there vaccines, than common-cold viruses.



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03 Apr 2020, 8:35 pm

Fauci says 12-18 months at the earliest. He’s credible. Time will tell.

Even if we just rely on herd immunity and perhaps the virus eventually mutating until it’s benign, we still don’t want to all get sick at once. It’s not that hard to do your part and just chill out at home for a while. :)


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03 Apr 2020, 8:38 pm

They might be doing human trials soon.

They have evoked the proper immune response in mice.



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03 Apr 2020, 9:10 pm

Are they not doing human trials now because nobody wants to be test subject, or are their volunteers, but they still do not want to use them at this stage?



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03 Apr 2020, 10:01 pm

They have to recruit the human subjects.

They have to set up the study to very stringent standards.