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04 Dec 2017, 7:56 pm

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At least in New York State, they wouldn't involuntarily hospitalize somebody unless he/she is a "danger to his/herself or others." Not only that, but two physicians would have to sign off on it.


I just don't know if I might be considered a danger to myself. I know people can be put in psychiatric hospitals for monitoring during med changes, and with the problems I've been having the past few days, I'm afraid he might deem that necessary.


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04 Dec 2017, 8:00 pm

You did mention your state once in "public." I'll look up "involuntary admission" in that state.

But I would say most states don't like to hospitalize people unless there's a compelling reason for doing so. They don't want to pay the bills for many patients. They would rather have people in a community setting because it costs less.



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04 Dec 2017, 8:03 pm

Here's the website if you want to look it up:

http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/your state.

They lay out simple criteria.

I would say that you have to present an immediate danger to yourself or to others, or to someone else's property

Or you have to show that you can't take care of yourself. If you show up looking like a "bag lady," that might "clinch" it for you.



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04 Dec 2017, 8:07 pm

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You did mention your state once in "public." I'll look up "involuntary admission" in that state.

But I would say most states don't like to hospitalize people unless there's a compelling reason for doing so. They don't want to pay the bills for many patients. They would rather have people in a community setting because it costs less.


I don't mind having my general location known, I was just trying to make a Hellraiser reference with my location :)


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04 Dec 2017, 8:40 pm

At least you're "home," according to Dorothy from "The Wizard of Oz."



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04 Dec 2017, 8:48 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Here's the website if you want to look it up:

http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/your state.

They lay out simple criteria.

I would say that you have to present an immediate danger to yourself or to others, or to someone else's property

Or you have to show that you can't take care of yourself. If you show up looking like a "bag lady," that might "clinch" it for you.


Thank you. I'm not sure if my intense suicidal thoughts and the fact that I hurt myself, even if the intent isn't to die, might be enough to qualify as an immediate threat to myself. I also would probably feel like I have to comply if voluntary hospitalization is highly suggested but I don't meet the criteria for involuntary hospitalization, like I still might be taken involuntarily if I didn't.


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04 Dec 2017, 9:45 pm

Hi again. I am also nervous about your appointment tomorrow because I am worried that you may be involuntarily hospitalized. Some doctors are like that; they just send their patients away without any consideration for how their patient would feel leaving home. Maybe you should tell your doctor that your doctor/patient relationship is not working out, and that you need more care that he is able to give you.



I am glad that you had a good weekend with some distractions from your depression. By the way, what is Sims? I have never heard of it before.



300 more big hugs, and thanks again for the big dragon hugs.



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04 Dec 2017, 10:05 pm

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Hi again. I am also nervous about your appointment tomorrow because I am worried that you may be involuntarily hospitalized. Some doctors are like that; they just send their patients away without any consideration for how their patient would feel leaving home. Maybe you should tell your doctor that your doctor/patient relationship is not working out, and that you need more care that he is able to give you.



I am glad that you had a good weekend with some distractions from your depression. By the way, what is Sims? I have never heard of it before.



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I'm hopeful that I'd at least be given the chance to go voluntarily, which might be better - then I could maybe check myself out when I felt I was ready instead of having to wait for someone else to decide I'm ready, and that would make it a good bit less intimidating - a large part of the problem would be not knowing when I could get out, so having that power would help. I honestly feel like I should give it at least another appointment or two to see if things go better, since I only saw this psychiatrist once for maybe half an hour. It's entirely possible we just haven't had time yet for the doctor/patient relationship to form.

The Sims was originally an architectural design game, where you'd build houses and there would be simulated people to live in them so you could see how it would probably work for real people. As the games progressed, though, more focus was put on the simulated people, or Sims. You basically create one to eight Sims for a family, build and furnish their house, and then run their lives. I really enjoy it because I "have no life," so I live vicariously through my Sims, having them do the things I can't in reality.


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05 Dec 2017, 12:42 am

I have never been committed to a psychiatric hospital, so I could not tell you anything about what it is like. I suppose some of them are better than others, but I have always heard that they are no fun at all. I have also read online that even if you check yourself in to a hospital voluntarily that sometimes you can not leave whenever you want to leave, but I do not really know how it works.



I will be thinking about you tomorrow since your doctor's appointment is tomorrow, and I hope it is better than your previous sessions. Perhaps the doctor will actually be helpful with you tomorrow & attempt to make your life better.



The Sims sounds like a fun game. Are you good at it? How long have you been playing it?



One more question: Since you like dragons a lot, have you ever heard of a television series called Dragon Tales? This weekend, I watched a You Tube video of a bespectacled British girl with Asperger's syndrome describing her daily routine, and she said she watches something on television called Dragon Tales. I have never heard of it. Do you know what it is?



Good luck at your appointment, and more big hugs.



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05 Dec 2017, 9:06 am

300series wrote:
I have never been committed to a psychiatric hospital, so I could not tell you anything about what it is like. I suppose some of them are better than others, but I have always heard that they are no fun at all. I have also read online that even if you check yourself in to a hospital voluntarily that sometimes you can not leave whenever you want to leave, but I do not really know how it works.



I will be thinking about you tomorrow since your doctor's appointment is tomorrow, and I hope it is better than your previous sessions. Perhaps the doctor will actually be helpful with you tomorrow & attempt to make your life better.



The Sims sounds like a fun game. Are you good at it? How long have you been playing it?



One more question: Since you like dragons a lot, have you ever heard of a television series called Dragon Tales? This weekend, I watched a You Tube video of a bespectacled British girl with Asperger's syndrome describing her daily routine, and she said she watches something on television called Dragon Tales. I have never heard of it. Do you know what it is?



Good luck at your appointment, and more big hugs.


I've heard that it really depends on the hospital - some are much better than others. I looked up ones near me, and unfortunately all the ones that treat my issues, except for one that only treats children, adolescents, and the elderly, have bad reviews. I think if you check yourself in voluntarily, you're supposed to be able to check yourself out even against medical advice, although they can make you stay if they think you're a danger to yourself or others. I could be wrong, though.

I don't think The Sims is a game you can really be very good or bad at - as long as you're having fun, you're good at it. I've been playing it since I was little, when the original game first came out - I think I was about seven or so? Now they're up to The Sims 4. There are also expansion packs you can get to add stuff to the game - the most recent one is Cats and Dogs, which of course adds cats and dogs, and your Sims can run veterinary clinics. I've really been enjoying that.

I watched Dragon Tales when I was a kid, but lost interest later. It's a cartoon about two children who find a dragon scale that lets them travel to a world of dragons.


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05 Dec 2017, 10:06 am

Good morning Dragons.
I hope you appointment goes well today.
What time are you seeing them?

Good afternoon and evening to everyone else.



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05 Dec 2017, 10:22 am

Good Morning, Sweet Temeraire!

The Wolfman howls with delight at your Presence!



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05 Dec 2017, 10:29 am

Have a dragon roar back.



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05 Dec 2017, 10:30 am

A melodious roar it is, indeed!

I hope you had a nice day :D

How's the weather over in Wiltshire?



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05 Dec 2017, 10:48 am

I hope you're not feeling down, Temeraire.

I'd be sad if you were.....



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05 Dec 2017, 10:53 am

I feel a lot better when I come on here.
Being around others who understand and also suffer.
It is a great distraction and avoidance of life for me.