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EzraS
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11 Jul 2018, 4:37 am

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...And yours - and your choice of arguments - isn't :twisted: ? Queen For A Day! :lol:


Whereas you have been an intentional drama queen for a decade. Your way of getting back at society maybe. All those locked threads with you laughing your ass off.



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11 Jul 2018, 8:47 am

AP, why don’t you buy a laptop?



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11 Jul 2018, 9:02 am

They cost at least $200. And, should he wind up on the street, it would be gone in no time.

Probably not practical for ASS-P until he gets a secure place to live.



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11 Jul 2018, 10:29 am

I think people should remember not to believe everything they read on the internet. And to be suspicious of those who are too extreme and manage to draw such a tremendous amount of attention to themselves (either positive or negative). One very astute person who messaged me brought up Munchausen syndrome and I think he's onto something, or at least something along those lines involving excessive attention seeking and drama addiction.



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11 Jul 2018, 10:42 am

My honest opinion:

ASS-P is a guy who has fun on WP sometimes. And he communicates with people in various threads.

Sometimes, he feels like he wants to ask for help. He has a sort of "hippie" idea about this. He feels people should be generous enough to offer their help without any conditions, like the hippies used to do during the 60s.

Most people, in the 60s and today, aren't hippies. They don't want to take chances with a stranger. And they don't want to sacrifice their lives too much. And ASS-P gets upset with them, because he feels people should help each other out. And he feels he should be helped, unconditionally--like the hippies used to do. His expectations are probably too high.

I don't feel like ASS-P is a dangerous person, honestly. I just feel that he feels that he can't do certain things---and he knows others can do them---so he thinks: "why not ask for help?" It's the hippie thing. He has hope that somebody will say to his/herself: Here's a man who has trouble with technology----why not me try to help him out with it?



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11 Jul 2018, 10:49 am

...Ezra, as far as accusing me of Munchausen Syndrome goes, I think I tend to under-report - or at least not talk them up that much here :o.





aS"]I think people should remember not to believe everything they read on the internet. And to be suspicious of those who are too extreme and manage to draw such a tremendous amount of attention to themselves (either positive or negative). One very astute person who messaged me brought up Munchausen syndrome and I think he's onto something, or at least something along those lines involving excessive attention seeking and drama addiction.[/quote]


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11 Jul 2018, 10:50 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
My honest opinion:

ASS-P is a guy who has fun on WP sometimes. And he communicates with people in various threads.

Sometimes, he feels like he wants to ask for help. He has a sort of "hippie" idea about this. He feels people should be generous enough to offer their help without any conditions, like the hippies used to do during the 60s.

Most people, in the 60s and today, aren't hippies. They don't want to take chances with a stranger. And they don't want to sacrifice their lives too much. And ASS-P gets upset with them, because he feels people should help each other out. And he feels he should be helped, unconditionally--like the hippies used to do.

I don't feel like ASS-P is a dangerous person, honestly. I just feel that he feels that he can't do certain things---and he knows others can do them---so he thinks: "why not ask for help?" It's the hippie thing. He has hope that somebody will say to his/herself: Here's a man who has trouble with technology----why not me try to help him out with it?


There are plenty of people like social workers who could help him much better in person than people on here. They could even help get his transcripts and fill out his college application for him.

His refusal to do so suggests, to me, that he’s just looking for attention.


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11 Jul 2018, 10:57 am

I'm thinking he has some distrust of social workers, for whatever reason----so he'd rather ask "fellow travelers" like himself.



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11 Jul 2018, 11:00 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I'm thinking he has some distrust of social workers, for whatever reason----so he'd rather ask "fellow travelers" like himself.


Social workers get paid very little money, so they aren’t far removed from being “fellow travelers.”

They often use their knowledge to get services they need.


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11 Jul 2018, 11:05 am

I don’t disagree with you.

I’m just saying that ASS-P might feel that way.



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11 Jul 2018, 11:20 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don’t disagree with you.

I’m just saying that ASS-P might feel that way.


I know what you mean.

The social worker that works with me has a mental illness and a son with autism and ADHD. She uses a lot of the same services that I need.

Another one that I used to work with raised money so he could adopt a child through fundraising alone since he doesn’t have much money.

Another one I’ve met was a former alcoholic who got into social services to help people attain sobriety. He burned out, though, because of the huge percentage of people that don’t stay sober and had to work in a slightly different field.

I’m just trying to say that there’s a lot of good people out there that understand and can relate to our challenges. It’s not some “complex” or “establishment” out to get you.


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11 Jul 2018, 11:23 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
My honest opinion:

ASS-P is a guy who has fun on WP sometimes. And he communicates with people in various threads.

Sometimes, he feels like he wants to ask for help. He has a sort of "hippie" idea about this. He feels people should be generous enough to offer their help without any conditions, like the hippies used to do during the 60s.

Most people, in the 60s and today, aren't hippies. They don't want to take chances with a stranger. And they don't want to sacrifice their lives too much. And ASS-P gets upset with them, because he feels people should help each other out. And he feels he should be helped, unconditionally--like the hippies used to do. His expectations are probably too high.

I don't feel like ASS-P is a dangerous person, honestly. I just feel that he feels that he can't do certain things---and he knows others can do them---so he thinks: "why not ask for help?" It's the hippie thing. He has hope that somebody will say to his/herself: Here's a man who has trouble with technology----why not me try to help him out with it?


Come on now the whole :x :evil: :cry: over the top mega drama act has nothing to do with being a hippie. And he's been using the internet for at least 11 years.



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11 Jul 2018, 11:26 am

You seem to have had quite a bit of experience with this, and are of a relatively objective mindset.

I trust your judgment here.



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11 Jul 2018, 11:28 am

I don't think ASS-P is lying about his circumstances, in terms of his housing and medical situation. The only thing he seems a bit evasive about, is whether he has access to a local social worker. Which I tend to think he does, and knows perfectly well how to get shelter and medical help, when he needs to.

I am against vilifying mental health issues, whatever the label might be. Bottom line, we're all struggling with something - whether it's just autism, or a combination of other issues as well. Human beings have a need for interaction and acceptance, and it's not wrong to reach out for support on the internet, particularly here in the Haven.

True, we're all guilty of less-than-perfect behavior at times. (If a person claiming to be autistic doesn't struggle with social interaction, that's when I'd be suspicious!) And it's important to have forum rules in place, to keep the requests for support within the bounds of what's reasonable and safe between strangers on the internet.

But when it comes to simply being frustrated by another person's behavior, that's when I think we need to exercise better forum etiquette. You can't control someone else's behavior, but you can control your own. There's a fine line where 'tough love' crosses over into unhelpful antagonism, and we've all crossed it at times.

Bottom line, people here in the Haven need compassion and support, and ASS-P is no exception. He's a human being who has faced tougher circumstances than most of us will ever know, and that's why the moderators cut him some slack. I for one am glad that he has a place to reach out for support, and I appreciate his first-hand account of life as a homeless autistic - something I myself am just one step away from, should something happen to my family.

Also, we've been asked not to talk about ASS-P in the third person, so... Sorry, ASS-P! Please know I appreciate your presence here, and while I agree it's important to stay within reasonable bounds of forum etiquette, I think the feelings you express are genuine, and I support your right to express them.



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11 Jul 2018, 11:30 am

ASS-P wrote:
...Ezra, the last two sentences of your post are - a bit much. You are trying to parody my posting style, I suppose.
To be Mr. Literal here, I certainly do not want to discourage you from. watching anything! And I don't " think your scum ", not at all, and speaking of your problems is just fine.
I think you are displaying this tendency you have towards leaping into big arguments here.
Now, I am going to listen to another Queen For A Day episode. It was hosted by Jack Bailey.


What happened to all the faces and typos and non-words? It's almost as if you're perfectly capable of posting without all of that :roll:



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11 Jul 2018, 11:35 am

Ashariel, the Haven should also not be exploited.