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kraftiekortie
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11 Jul 2018, 11:37 am

I think this is sort of a complex situation with ASS-P.

I feel like he need genuine help---but I also feel that he sort of likes to "milk it" at times, too.



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11 Jul 2018, 11:41 am

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Since this is the Haven, I'm going to request that we all stop talking about ASS-P as if he isn't even here. Ultimately, this is his thread to rant/complain/whine in, and, if that's all he wants to do, then let's let him be.

As for the rest of the issues brought up in this discussion, yes, the mods are going to start cracking down on people spamming the forum with the same topic over and over again, and we're not going to continue to be as lenient with people who want to cuss-out other users and then blame their circumstances for their poor behavior.

Beyond that, let's stop bickering. Thanks.

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Have you guys forgotten this moderator message? "I'm going to request that we all stop talking about ASS-P as if he isn't even here." kraftiekortie, I'm calling out you as one of the principle offenders. And I'm reporting the thread (again).


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11 Jul 2018, 11:41 am

Genuine people act genuine. A completely genuine person would not raise my suspicions so much.



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11 Jul 2018, 11:45 am

BeaArthur wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
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Since this is the Haven, I'm going to request that we all stop talking about ASS-P as if he isn't even here. Ultimately, this is his thread to rant/complain/whine in, and, if that's all he wants to do, then let's let him be.

As for the rest of the issues brought up in this discussion, yes, the mods are going to start cracking down on people spamming the forum with the same topic over and over again, and we're not going to continue to be as lenient with people who want to cuss-out other users and then blame their circumstances for their poor behavior.

Beyond that, let's stop bickering. Thanks.

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Have you guys forgotten this moderator message? "I'm going to request that we all stop talking about ASS-P as if he isn't even here." kraftiekortie, I'm calling out you as one of the principle offenders. And I'm reporting the thread (again).


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11 Jul 2018, 11:48 am

I always talk to ASS-P, too. What are you talking about?



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11 Jul 2018, 11:51 am

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Ashariel, the Haven should also not be exploited.


I agree the support should stay within the bounds of encouragement and advice, rather than requests for real-life, behind-the-scenes, in-person help.

By 'exploited' do you mean he's faking his problems, and playing on our goodwill? I honestly don't think he's faking. I think his emotional issues are very real, and if he prefers expressing them with emoticons, so be it.

(Bea - I hear you... Though to be fair, you didn't address ASS-P directly in your post either.)

ASS-P, what do you think about all this? :mrgreen:



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11 Jul 2018, 11:55 am

If ASS-P wanted to say something about me, but not to me (talking about me in the 3rd person), I wouldn't mind. I would think he's trying to figure me out. And he's asking other people to figure me out. It's human nature to want to analyze people.

People do that all the time when they are analyzing people. They talk about the person in the 3rd person. That's just the way it is.

I don't deserve to be "called out."



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11 Jul 2018, 12:30 pm

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...Ezra, as far as accusing me of Munchausen Syndrome goes, I think I tend to under-report - or at least not talk them up that much here :o.


No I'm someone who under-reports. What you do is overact.



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11 Jul 2018, 12:32 pm

I just wish ASS-P would get a permanent place to live, and to find some buddies interested in comics and politics.

And to get his health back.



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11 Jul 2018, 12:55 pm

...I should say that, these months after I got out of the hospital last and landing back in this time, I was in the motel situation, and vamping along, hoping that my medical situation, including the possible eye operation, would lead to a place.
I really don't have the money, or connections/energy, to find a place in SC, I Te d to think. Now, the thing is, with the NYS lawyer money, I did start to make connections/roots here in SC - I got a storage space. Just before landing in the hospital now I was planning to get the books/pubs that I splurged on out of the NYS money to the storage space - But my gaining a that weight and landing here has, at this time, stopped me from doing that :( . I had also meant to, finally, get those things I inherited from Bruh sent here, with the storage space being where they were aimed towards. That would require me to stay here.


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11 Jul 2018, 2:19 pm

Good job getting the storage, and making some connections in SC - that is excellent progress!

So your books & things are at the motel now? Are you expecting to get back there soon, or is this looking to be a longer hospital stay?



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11 Jul 2018, 5:26 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
If ASS-P wanted to say something about me, but not to me (talking about me in the 3rd person), I wouldn't mind. I would think he's trying to figure me out. And he's asking other people to figure me out. It's human nature to want to analyze people.

People do that all the time when they are analyzing people. They talk about the person in the 3rd person. That's just the way it is.

I don't deserve to be "called out."

I just looked at your 10 most recent posts in this thread. Not a single one of them addressed ASS-P directly, and the majority of them spoke about him in the third person.

It's generally considered inconsiderate (or in NT parlance, "rude") to talk about a person who is present, as if they are not even in the room. It sort of treats them as a non-entity, or unable to participate in their own conversation on their own behalf. Even if ASS-P doesn't mind you analyzing him, it's still poor form, and should not be tolerated in a forum like this because others DO mind - it sets a bad example.

Anyway, a mod instructed us about this a few pages back and I feel we should follow those instructions.

ASS-P, how DO you feel about others talking about you in the third person? Do you trust other members to accurately represent you and your interests?


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11 Jul 2018, 6:03 pm

BeaArthur wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
If ASS-P wanted to say something about me, but not to me (talking about me in the 3rd person), I wouldn't mind. I would think he's trying to figure me out. And he's asking other people to figure me out. It's human nature to want to analyze people.

People do that all the time when they are analyzing people. They talk about the person in the 3rd person. That's just the way it is.

I don't deserve to be "called out."

I just looked at your 10 most recent posts in this thread. Not a single one of them addressed ASS-P directly, and the majority of them spoke about him in the third person.

It's generally considered inconsiderate (or in NT parlance, "rude") to talk about a person who is present, as if they are not even in the room. It sort of treats them as a non-entity, or unable to participate in their own conversation on their own behalf. Even if ASS-P doesn't mind you analyzing him, it's still poor form, and should not be tolerated in a forum like this because others DO mind - it sets a bad example.

Anyway, a mod instructed us about this a few pages back and I feel we should follow those instructions.

ASS-P, how DO you feel about others talking about you in the third person? Do you trust other members to accurately represent you and your interests?


I think we don’t always get to hear directly from ASS-P about how he feels about an important question because he doesn’t always answer. I think KK and others are trying to find ways to give helpful feedback.

How do you feel about having a social worker, ASS-P, to help you get the help you need? He or she would do a much better job than we can do.


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11 Jul 2018, 6:45 pm

I don't feel I did anything wrong, to be honest.

I just think the person who "called me out" has some bone to pick or something. Things happen like that sometimes.

ASS-P knows he can talk to me. And I talk to him. I respect him. And he knows I respect him.

If ASS-P wants to get on my butt for talking to him in the third person-----I tell him go right ahead. And I'll bow my head in shame (not really sarcastic).



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11 Jul 2018, 8:45 pm

Many people have acted differently in the OP's threads than they have anywhere else on WP.

Virtually all of the OP's threads have had the same problems, reportings, warnings and even bannings that result in them all being locked.

This same situation has been repeating itself for years through many different users and mods.

In my opinion the OP is pretty much totally to blame for this.



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11 Jul 2018, 8:59 pm

EzraS wrote:
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My honest opinion:

ASS-P is a guy who has fun on WP sometimes. And he communicates with people in various threads.

Sometimes, he feels like he wants to ask for help. He has a sort of "hippie" idea about this. He feels people should be generous enough to offer their help without any conditions, like the hippies used to do during the 60s.

Most people, in the 60s and today, aren't hippies. They don't want to take chances with a stranger. And they don't want to sacrifice their lives too much. And ASS-P gets upset with them, because he feels people should help each other out. And he feels he should be helped, unconditionally--like the hippies used to do. His expectations are probably too high.

I don't feel like ASS-P is a dangerous person, honestly. I just feel that he feels that he can't do certain things---and he knows others can do them---so he thinks: "why not ask for help?" It's the hippie thing. He has hope that somebody will say to his/herself: Here's a man who has trouble with technology----why not me try to help him out with it?


Come on now the whole :x :evil: :cry: over the top mega drama act has nothing to do with being a hippie. And he's been using the internet for at least 11 years.


And he’s not old enough to be a hippie. He was born in the early sixties.