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14 Jul 2018, 3:35 pm

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Ashariel, I'm sorry you are having psychosis difficulty. But in spite of that, you are behaving very humanely and appropriately in this thread. There are some people who could learn a lot from you.

Hope your head clears soon.


Hey yeah there is nothing wrong with what AssP posts but Ez, XFG, TP, and myself are jerks with much to learn.


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14 Jul 2018, 6:02 pm

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He just brought it up again himself, probably as a to more begging on that score.


That is correct. That has been the OP's years long pattern. Prelude is a very good word for it.

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These threads are really puzzling to me. A lot of the issues that ASS-P needs help with are relatively easy fixes.

He needs a social worker. They’d help him with everything. Enough said.


What you just said has been already said many times by many people over the course of many years. The OP has a years long history of dragging the WP user base into his situations as if they are his only resource.

When many over the years have told him what realistic practical resources are available to him, it does absolutely no good. He just keeps needling away at WP users for weeks to get involved. Then after that scenario finally plays out, he shifts to something else and restarts the cycle all over again. Enough is enough.



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14 Jul 2018, 6:12 pm

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Twilightprincess wrote:

These threads are really puzzling to me. A lot of the issues that ASS-P needs help with are relatively easy fixes.

He needs a social worker. They’d help him with everything. Enough said.


What you just said has been already said many times by many people over the course of many years. The OP has a years long history of dragging the WP user base into his situations as if they are his only resource.

When many over the years have told him what realistic practical resouses are available to him, it does absolutely no good. He just keeps needling away at WP users for weeks to get involved. Then when that scenario plays out, he shifts to something else and restarts the cycle all over again. Enough is enough.


I do know this. I’ve been lurking on WP for years.

I just think it needs to be reiterated from time to time.

Social workers would be able to get him housing quickly because disabled homeless people are given priority. I know this from experience. They’d even help him with things like transcripts and college applications.

This should be the only thing we should be suggesting if we choose to participate on these threads.


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14 Jul 2018, 6:20 pm

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EzraS wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:

These threads are really puzzling to me. A lot of the issues that ASS-P needs help with are relatively easy fixes.

He needs a social worker. They’d help him with everything. Enough said.


What you just said has been already said many times by many people over the course of many years. The OP has a years long history of dragging the WP user base into his situations as if they are his only resource.

When many over the years have told him what realistic practical resouses are available to him, it does absolutely no good. He just keeps needling away at WP users for weeks to get involved. Then when that scenario plays out, he shifts to something else and restarts the cycle all over again. Enough is enough.


I do know this. I’ve been lurking on WP for years.

I just think it needs to be reiterated from time to time.

Social workers would be able to get him housing quickly because disabled homeless people are given priority. I know this from experience. They’d even help him with things like transcripts and college applications.

This should be the only thing we should be suggesting if we choose to participate on these threads.


If you have been following this as closely as I have, then you know nothing along those lines goes well.

He will come up with multiple reasons why he can't use any realistic practical resources. And in the meantime wail about how WP users are abusing him and want to see him suffer.

It's all just an act.

People need to wake up and smell the coffee already.



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14 Jul 2018, 9:06 pm

ASS-P, what I see here is a support forum run horribly amok. The moderators have repeatedly warned us to keep it supportive, and give you the basic respect and dignity of addressing you personally, rather than talking about you, particularly in such a negative and unsupportive manner.

You deserve better than this. Particularly since you have made such an effort to follow the rules yourself lately. I would like to see what could happen here in this thread, if people would stop gloating over what they're certain you're going to say, or have said in the past - and instead, listen to what you actually are saying.

What I'm hearing in your latest posts is that you understand that the possibility exists, to seek supportive housing, or a board & care situation. But that as a grown adult with free will, and income of your own, you prefer to live independently, and make your own living arrangements.

Nowhere in your latest update did you ask for help with anything at all. Instead, you outlined a plan for achieving your immediate upcoming goals, completely on your own. You seem to understand perfectly well these days, that the Haven is a place for encouragement and advice, but not real-life, behind-the-scenes, in-person help.

I agree with every single person in this thread, that it's important to have forum rules in place, to protect the rights and needs of everyone involved. And guess what - we do in fact have rules in place, which have been posted here numerous times. But people who refuse to follow them are in no position to be condemning anyone else.

To be clear, I don't disagree with the 'common sense' advice folks are advocating here. But my caring, support, and respect for you as a human being does not hinge on you following it.

If I am out of line here, and being unhelpful, I apologize. (By the way, thank you Bea, for what you said earlier.) It just seems to me that a support forum is supposed to be supportive, and we are failing miserably at that.



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14 Jul 2018, 9:42 pm

Continuing threads that were locked is against the rules. This thread was just a continuation of the same thread he has posted for years in numerous areas, that has been locked over and over again.

It gets locked in General Autism Discussion, and then he reopens it in Random Discussion, it gets locked there and then he reopens in Members Only Discussion, it gets locked there and then he reopens it in Health, Fitness and Sports, it gets locked there and then he reopens it in School and College Life, it gets locked there and then he reopens it in The Haven - repeats this cycle over and over - year after year.

Cussing people out and calling them names is against the rules, yet he has done this multiple times in this thread and in every other one of his threads, which is why they keep getting locked.

Spamming is against the rules, yet he has spammed the same routine over and over again for years.

He's just exploiting the Haven to continue his years long repetitive routine.

Any other support forum I have been on would have ended up banning him a long time ago.



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14 Jul 2018, 9:52 pm

^ And if a moderator were to say that, I would respect their judgment. But that's not what the moderators are saying.

Take it to WP Discussion, where that sort of debate belongs.



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14 Jul 2018, 10:01 pm

Ashariel wrote:
^ And if a moderator were to say that, I would respect their judgment. But that's not what the moderators are saying.


Actually a moderator did say that.

Ashariel wrote:
Take it to WP Discussion, where that sort of debate belongs.


WP discussion is where issues regarding forum operation are discussed ie server errors, other glitches, asking how to do something and making suggestions such as adding a like button.



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14 Jul 2018, 10:02 pm

...If I moved away from SC, what would I do with the stuff in the storage unit, once I have any? Also, even if I stay here - Again, the unit is completely bare...With my basic extreme difficulty in getting up from getting down, or bending over :cry: , how would I go through things in the unit? Where would I even store things within the unit? I don't have bookshelves. or other units to put my stuff in within a unit :( .


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14 Jul 2018, 10:10 pm

They have storage places near Patterson, I’m sure.

This would be a totally bare unit—-no fridge, etc?

I understand the distance would be great—but, in your condition, wouldn’t you rather have a roof over your head than a situation where you have to carry your ball and chain around?

I would, at least, consider it.



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14 Jul 2018, 10:19 pm

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They have storage places near Patterson, I’m sure.

This would be a totally bare unit—-no fridge, etc?


He means the storage unit is bare ie no shelves.



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15 Jul 2018, 1:14 am

ASS-P wrote:
...If I moved away from SC, what would I do with the stuff in the storage unit, once I have any? Also, even if I stay here - Again, the unit is completely bare...With my basic extreme difficulty in getting up from getting down, or bending over :cry: , how would I go through things in the unit? Where would I even store things within the unit? I don't have bookshelves. or other units to put my stuff in within a unit :( .


If you move away from SC, presumably that would be under the guidance of a social worker, and they would be able to advise you on the logistics of moving your things.

If you stay in SC, and pursue the storage situation... It sounds like you would need to set up shelves, and maybe a chair to sit in. Which is something you can work toward, in small steps. It could be a fun hobby, setting up your storage just the way you like it, one thing at a time.

But like Kraftie said - there are probably storage places in Patterson too. (Though in that case you'd have a stable housing situation, and could presumably keep all your things in your room?) It's definitely worth considering.



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15 Jul 2018, 1:23 am

A West Side Self Storage - 701 N 1st St, Patterson, CA 95363 (209) 892-6777

Patterson Self Storage - 220 N 2nd St, Patterson, CA 95363 (209) 892-2440

Las Palmas Self Storage - 110 E Las Palmas Ave, Patterson, CA 95363 (209) 895-4111

From what I've seen so far Patterson is small but has a lot of stuff. It's seems like my town where the bank, grocery store, library etc is all pretty all much within walking distance.



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15 Jul 2018, 7:58 am

It occurred to me in the night, that with your difficulty getting up from the ground, maybe I'm being unrealistic in thinking that setting up your storage unit by yourself is feasible, or a good idea. It sounds like you would have a lot of trouble lifting things, and if you fell, with no one around to help you, that wouldn't be safe.

And it made me realize that TwilightPrincess' assessment of your situation is really the wisest one. That a social worker would give you much better advice than we would, not to mention the real-life help that you honestly need. I think it's irresponsible of me to suggest otherwise, not having all the details of your situation, or knowing exactly how severe your health problems are.

If Social Services is pushing for you to accept a board & care situation in Patterson, I am going to trust their professional judgment, and encourage you to do the same.

I know it's not what you want to hear. In fact, it's specifically what you said you didn't want to hear. And if you don't want to hear it from me, then I will respectfully stop posting in your thread.

I understand that you have trauma issues, that make it difficult for you to trust the system. That is something you and I have in common. And it's okay to deal with things in your own way - as long as that's actually working.

But I don't think it's working at this point, ASS-P. I think with your pain issues, and difficulty getting up, you really need to be in a situation where you're getting the help you need, locally. I don't think people on the internet can solve your problems at this point, in terms of simply advising you how to manage on your own.

And I apologize for being a naysayer here. I wish that your problems could be solved by people on the internet, simply offering encouragement and support. But I don't think that's the truth of it, ASS-P. I think you need real help, locally, from people who understand your situation far better than we do, and can provide in-person help.

I don't disagree with the concerns that others have brought up lately, though I think it's important to say things in a respectful way, rather than vilifying you for having chronic problems that we can't fix. But they're not wrong; your issues really are beyond the scope of what we're able to help with, and you need to be utilizing local resources.

I'm happy to offer whatever moral support I can, but I won't be trying to advise you on the logistics of storage, or alternative plans that don't involve seeking help from a professional social worker. My involvement in your threads tends to be on and off anyway, due to my own issues, but insofar as I'm here, I will try to advocate for your right to be treated with dignity and respect, and I hope the moderators continue to do the same.

Take care, and please know that I am wishing you the best, regardless of what course of action you choose.



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15 Jul 2018, 8:31 am

In other words, all things considered, if they offer you Patterson, you should take Patterson. I can understand your reluctance. Yes I can. But you need a roof over your head in your condition.

What’s the name of the place in Patterson? Maybe I could look into it.

Put yourself on a waiting list for a place close to Santa Cruz in the meantime. Maybe RR can send the info again, if he is so inclined.

Your brother’s money is eventually going to run out. Then where will you be? Out in the streets again! Having to sleep in the Sally place. Having to lug around the ball and chain.

I wish you could get some definite answers from the eye doctor.



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15 Jul 2018, 8:36 am

ASS-P no one is vilifying you just for having having chronic problems. That would be bizarre and ridiculous. The problem has always been you lashing out at those making suggestions you didn't like, cussing them out and telling them how stupid they are etc, and using all kinds of head games and guilt tripping to try getting someone to do things for you.

If you were just keeping a diary or even ranting about your problems, without involving WP users in such an unfavorable way, there of course would not be such negative feedback from them. Or so many mile long locked threads that never got anywhere and caused so much frustration.

Really the main thing being exhibited by WP users is frustration. Not ill-will or malice or hatred, just plain old frustration. Perhaps in the future you could endeavor to be less frustrating and things will go smoother.