Alternatives to Suicide

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Not really, due to massive anxiety.
Calling a crisis line would probably be last on my things to do, way under suicide.
They are not really accommodating socially impaired people this way.
Even the internet is horrible.
And I mentioned this in another thread, I hate when someone just tried to console me without helping me do anything about the source.
That actually makes me angry.
It is like someone just declared a nuclear war on the world, and you shoot the person in the leg.
Sure it may be useful for a while, but the person is going to get medical help and then still launch nuclear missiles.

I'd say even more likely that its a problem this way - if you want to kill yourself you will, if you won't you won't, getting a third party however means that someone very likely will be rushing in and invading your life - probably not for the better.

My alternatives:

Medicine. From doctors, from all kinds of alternative medicine.

Eat better, do more exercise.

Talking treatments

Like others have mentioned, f**k what society thinks and expects, go out there and do what you want, do something worthwhile. Do whatever makes you feel better. Sometimes when I'm depressed I just make plasticine figurines all day. It's not a job, it's not 'healthy',but it makes me feel better. I want to try and live a more eco friendly life and a life that benefits others. I'm trying to start doing that now.

Amish people have low rates of depression. Live a simpler life. No technology. There's some evidence technology makes us depressed.

You may as well try everything before killing yourself, as you can't get much more drastic than killing yourself.
Good luck, I hope you find something that helps you feel better.

A biologistic approach to psychology is not very nice. We are more than animals. The most important things in society and our lives can't be related back to the animal kingdom.. Ideas, ideals, music, faith etc. If there's anything people are genetically predispositioned to do it is to get together and solve problems, but that's as far as my biologistic thinking goes.



I think this is very much an american misconception. The idea that any restrictions or rules to how we conduct business, no matter how well thought through, are bad, or that taxes are supposedly immoral.
I'm swedish myself and we never went that route, and hopefully we never will. We're not communist, but we've established a Keynesian economy.

It doesn't really matter in this discussion but here's the deal. If you put the money needed on special education for children with Asperger Syndrome and quit clumping them together with down-syndrome kids etc. If they get the chance to hone their skills and also make up for their weak sides, they are going to be able to walk out in life and manage themselves, be productive, and pay tax too. So it's really a matter of sound social investment when you lift resources and put them on aspies, because they will return it.

What I meant with my post was not so much economics and politics, but there you go. I meant that Aspies shouldn't regard themselves as a problem when they are not. Neither should they think they have to adapt so much. If a work- or social environment just contains people who think and act the same, then it's a really crappy environment. Also, such places aren't ultimately reasonable to begin with and their codes aren't set in stone. Bring forth an aspie and you have more ideas circulating. Also bring a bigger number of women on top positions, more immigrants etc. This is eugenics of ideas, and that's a good thing. It doesn't mean that anyone is sorted out but that more different people = more ideas. The good ideas survive, the social/work environment evolves while nobody is singled out.

In essence, an aspie shouldn't feel suicidal over the fact that he can't go into social situations on the exact same terms as others. If he's got track of the basic good manners then that's enough. We shouldn't ever feel like we should go and hide just because we "totally weirded sombody out". That's crazy.
If we judge ourselves as something of less worth then we're also ruining humanism and help replacing it with something considerably more nasty, social darwinism, and who wants to be guilty of that?

My point was to demonstrate that, as with the responsibility of all those other things that make up 'living', the ultimate responsibility for life and death itself is up to me too. I wouldn't rely on anybody else for anything because each is out for himself.

The last bits you mentioned are what we 'should' pursue, its what makes societies and lives better. The former, biological behavior, is generally what drives evil - not to say that there aren't certain things like parental instincts that arrive from that, but most of the so called dark side of self interest and evil in general is fed by drive for dominance, drive for prestige, drive for supremacy, occasionally that's driven by a need for safety but more often than not its driven by a lot of things tangent to sexuality.


I'm not so sure about the first part of that - seems like a misnomer. Even American republicans believe in having laws that keep business on the up and up, if you really think about it it's definitely not in the best interest of their ideals to see business behave badly and, quite often, a lot of what lays these rules to waste is conflicting ideology in laws being passed and where a control is put in place on say one angle, a restriction is put in place (ie. such as playing social policy with the private sector) that trash those standards and bring everything right back down. Ultimately, between liberal and conservative ideologies, they tend to perhaps work better in the absence of each other's meddling but quite often the kind of meddling we deal with ends up in harmful medling rather than helpful.




I agree, in the US as well, back in 1991, the ADA was passed with the understanding that many with not most individuals with 'disabilities' do have great productive potential, would not be a huge insurance hazard, and even for those who do need ongoing treatment and have to leave work at certain times of the week or have to work partial weeks - there are nitch positions that can fit their lifestyles. I'm hoping that in general our country can get its education system on the right track, its one of the things many European countries have right that I think, again, we're too afraid to do what we need to with the teacher's unions running things.


I'd say that's a bit black and white. Most places try to be somewhat accomodating, some businesses succeed in that more than others, some are just that toxic that they don't want anyone but clones of themselves - when you find those you simply stay away from them as you'd really want no part. As for aspies, women, and minorities being of a supreme value in terms of thought though, I don't want to say they are - I'd say they have a lot to offer in, as you said, in creative capacity, but I still think the value is in the individual and who they are over any societal statistics or groups that they belong to.


I completely agree, there are people with far worse problems than we have, many if not most of them NT. Even with AS I wouldn't switch places with many people when I think about it, if any. I took a hell of a lot of bullying as a kid, tried to kill myself five times through highschool, had the revelation that I wasn't leaving and thus gave it my all to make the most of my life.

I really strive to blend in, to exercise my analytical thinking in the empathy and social understanding, mainly because I come to the conclusion that most people are as tired, strapped, and generally over-taxed in terms of mental energy by their lives - its typically what stratifies society and even then those near the top or the upper middle are stretched paper-thin just in different ways by different stresses. In that kind of world, being that I don't need accomodations myself, I try my best to accomodate others.

And, if I'm having an off day where my nervous system is crapped up and I'm walking around like a bright-eyed eight year old or have problems getting my words out, if someone wants to look at me like I'm weak or make crass comments in passing this is my thought to them: Are you going to throw me in a furnace or gas chamber, or do something like take my life? If not, why the hell do I care what you have to think. If you don't like my being here - either do something about it or don't, if you want to lip off to me and aren't willing to put a knife to my throat - your half stepping and you know you're too shook to do anything about me. I usually just laugh at that thought and keep on my way, IMO there's no need for me to kill myself - if someone else has brass balls and they want to try, do it, if not my existence is their problem not mine.



If we can't look at ourselves for what we are, objectively, we're in trouble. It takes eyeing up the nasty truths and then finding the reasons on why those things should not hold us down. Social darwinism unfortunately is something that comes of evolutionary psychology if people ignore it, I'd say especially if people refuse to believe that it exists and have the causes and reasons for it twisted.

my existance is a living hell

death would be a great thing

although by my own hand that i have a hard time doing

A holiday by the sea is a nice suicide alternative.

Suicidal urge is a powerful compulsion. One can always re-direct it towards religious fanaticism or political extremism...

Alright, so the latter didn't work so well for me in real life.

But then I joined an interest club, met people ive always wanted to meet in real life - then life was turned 100 degrees for the better.

Give it a go

I like this discussion tech and you make very good replies I can agree with. We are hijacking the thread however so perhaps we should call it.

I put forward my diversity view a bit strongly. I didn't mean it in terms of "more special than others" because that's also a bad way of thinking. It could go either way as a workforce consisting entirely of aspies, women, white men whatever is a weak one.

I guess the question is, doesn't the weird mannerism of someone radically different upset a social environment? I'd say it doesn't have to even if it must change a bit. What's crucial is that everybody is set on doing a good job and have the qualifications to do it. Even when something seems like a bother when we must adapt to a work collegue, it's not a bad thing.
Consider a vague and indecisive boss leading a team. The aspie co-worker can't understand well what he wants so he asks for more precise direction. Sure it demands something from the boss in question but every other employee also benefit when meetings are suddenly more structured and the goals are more clear.

I could give you tons of examples, I really could but I'll just throw in an opposite example. I've followed the discussion on banks turning bottoms up in the financial crisis, and for one spectacular failure that was widely debated in Sweden, the analysists did attribute the problem to a homogenous workforce where everyone acted and thought the same, reinforcing a race to the bottom in crazy speculation. If they had diverse colleagues to compromise with, that wouldn't have happened.

Diversity is sound business as it enrichens "the idea gene pool" if you will, and since aspies frankly aren't that many, they should serve as good injections in many places, probably more than we know today.

I think the asperger suicidal tendencies often have more to do with stress, inertia and difficulties taking themselves to places and positions they'd feel good in, but if society regard aspies as a nasty incomprehensible problem then that's a very bad situation, and false. I think that's it really, which is why I'm offensive in my attitude. I want people with neurological conditions to be firm and claim space and I want them to know that they should and could do that.

Again, the suicide affirms the problem which really needs to be solved. I guess it's a bit stupid of me to just relate aspie suicide to a society scale but that's usually the perspective in which I think.

like everyone who contemplates suicide, you miss out on a very important detail:
your not going anyWHERE after you die. youll just perish.

so your not escaping anything. to escape means to go from bad place to good place. theres no good place in death, theres only decay and loss of conciousness.

suicide is a deluded misunderstanding of how life functions.

moog says it very clearly actually, take a holyday instead. that way, you can actually escape AND survive :b

I hate to say it but I think your's is a misunderstanding of human pain and suffering. Death, if there is nothing to either fetishize favorably or negatively, however there are many - many - people out there who would be in a better state, delivered into something better, being in that state you just described. If you can't relate you simply haven't felt it or been there.

I don't know that that's true.

Depersonalization and heroin. I've tried both and recommend neither.

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