Losing Hope
But again, I will say it over and over again. With these males there is a BIG problem not often discussed that keeps them dependent on searching for a love life (which i am NOT accusing the OP). That is porn, you simply CANNOT focus on yourself when you're constantly training your mind to thirst for a suitor. It just cannot be done. This is the trap that most of them fall into that keeps them from crawling out and why advice "Just focus on yourself" falls on deaf ears most of the time. Once I stopped doing that it was MUCH easier to move on with my life. Though it was a struggle to let go which took about 2-3 years of constantly fighting temptation, but it was worth it since it gives clarity of mind and calm in focusing on productive hobbies. What I observe with these males is that no advice will work for as long as they continue to abuse themselves towards internet filth. The mind just becomes utterly hooked and dependant on attaching itself to a suitor through daily and chronic self abuse born out of loneliness. But this 'easy way out' isn't easy at all in the end. It completely shatters a male's motivation to do anything.
Now after thinking about it,I agree.I do think aspie men as a whole should try to focus on other things besides relationships,especially since we lose in that area(unless you're look as good as Will Smith or Brad Pitt or have tons of money/great job) due to our social difficulties. After 20 years of failure,rejection,and disappointment when it comes to girls/women,I have become so discouraged to point where,I'm now starting to question if I should even bother wasting my time conversing with women outside of family anymore.I think The Grand Inquisitor would benefit if he focus on hobbies and interest,and maybe once Covid 19 comes to a end,then focus on creating male friends,instead of focusing on relationships or women for that matter.Not saying any of us should give up completely on dating or women,however,I can't deny that the odds are very heavily stacked against us when it comes to dating.
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Any advice regarding the softcore type? It seems like sex appeal is all over the media and makes it both frustrating and practically impossible to avoid.
I can't watch TV now without getting depressed because you see sexualization in EVERYTHING. Everything is just sex and violence being shot at your brain through a gatling gun. It's sick, and just added to my woes in my 20's.
But much to the point. Leaving that world behind you just can't do it half way. And hence the problem you see with many males. Many of these males think they can continue to use pornography as an alternative outlet when it's not a good alternative at ALL. They just can't take any self improvement advice until this problem is dealt with because their chronic self abuse has made them so dependent and supplicant towards women that they see no other alternative but to have one right NOW. To fix it you have to starve out the sex impulse which requires a LONG struggle. Once you've starved out that instinct for long enough the brain will eventually move on, and the clarity of mind and 'calm' that you receive becomes the fertile ground you need to finally plant something.
You probably can't do it while still being hooked to the pop culture which glorifies those things. A male will need to burn bridges and leave his former life behind. Nowadays I spend my time watching interesting livestreams and drawing pictures, and playing guitar when I can. I wouldn't be able to flower in any of these if I kept on abusing my self. Livestreams have replaced TV for me and thank goodness. I'd recommend these young males to quit television altogether and stay away from netflix/disney nonsense. The pop culture is simply not for us.
It reminds me of how I would set impossible NT standards for myself before I realised I was on the spectrum and afterwards too, it's taken years to soften just some of the conditioned self hatred and Ive only made significant progress in the last year through regular periods of psychotherapy.
I would reject the characterisation that I've set the terms here. I merely identified them through trying to figure out under what set of circumstances I'd be ok with being single, and I think the requirements would be prior romantic experience and confidence in my ability to get a relationship.
No shame in needing help, I mean autism =social & communication challenges, some rigidity of thinking...
Check out online therapy, I dont think I could go back to the hassle of all that leaving the house entails for therapy now.
[color=firebrick]I think professional help would probably be beneficial in the meantime, but I don't know that the issues I'm having would necessarily inhibit me from being able to maintain a relationship if I was to get one, especially given that just getting a relationship in and of itself would go a long way in helping to resolve some of those issues.
I'd still much prefer to establish a relationship with a therapist in person and move it to online from there if need be, rather than starting it all online.
Guarantee you they would, placing that much weight onto a relationship will cause it to crumble.
Ah but you would never say it to your loved one? You wouldn't need to, your actions would give you away right from the start. While a predatory narcissist would stay with you because they need a codependent, a regular person (if such a thing exists
If what you're saying here is true, then I'm f***ed, because getting a relationship will always be extremely important to me, at least until I've experienced one.
And I'm not the kind of person who hides things from loved ones. I tend to be honest and forthcoming (maybe even too much so), so I don't see myself going to great lengths to hide anything. I'm smart enough to know that's not sustainable.
Unfortunately my family is very closely intertwined with this pop culture due to family friends in the sports/entertainment industry. Does this mean I should cut ties with them and start over somewhere else?
It reminds me of how I would set impossible NT standards for myself before I realised I was on the spectrum and afterwards too, it's taken years to soften just some of the conditioned self hatred and Ive only made significant progress in the last year through regular periods of psychotherapy.
I would reject the characterisation that I've set the terms here. I merely identified them through trying to figure out under what set of circumstances I'd be ok with being single, and I think the requirements would be prior romantic experience and confidence in my ability to get a relationship.
No shame in needing help, I mean autism =social & communication challenges, some rigidity of thinking...
Check out online therapy, I dont think I could go back to the hassle of all that leaving the house entails for therapy now.
[color=firebrick]I think professional help would probably be beneficial in the meantime, but I don't know that the issues I'm having would necessarily inhibit me from being able to maintain a relationship if I was to get one, especially given that just getting a relationship in and of itself would go a long way in helping to resolve some of those issues.
I'd still much prefer to establish a relationship with a therapist in person and move it to online from there if need be, rather than starting it all online.
Guarantee you they would, placing that much weight onto a relationship will cause it to crumble.
Ah but you would never say it to your loved one? You wouldn't need to, your actions would give you away right from the start. While a predatory narcissist would stay with you because they need a codependent, a regular person (if such a thing exists
If what you're saying here is true, then I'm f***ed, because getting a relationship will always be extremely important to me, at least until I've experienced one.
And I'm not the kind of person who hides things from loved ones. I tend to be honest and forthcoming (maybe even too much so), so I don't see myself going to great lengths to hide anything. I'm smart enough to know that's not sustainable.
Didnt want to be disingenuous, you're not ducked, there are other paths. I think this is part of rigid thinking, not sure if im projecting.
Sorry TGI, I've just been metaphorically punched in the gut by a narcissist I'm unfortunately related to. Didn't see it coming.
Will reply tomorrow when I've recovered from their bullcrap.
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It reminds me of how I would set impossible NT standards for myself before I realised I was on the spectrum and afterwards too, it's taken years to soften just some of the conditioned self hatred and Ive only made significant progress in the last year through regular periods of psychotherapy.
I would reject the characterisation that I've set the terms here. I merely identified them through trying to figure out under what set of circumstances I'd be ok with being single, and I think the requirements would be prior romantic experience and confidence in my ability to get a relationship.
No shame in needing help, I mean autism =social & communication challenges, some rigidity of thinking...
Check out online therapy, I dont think I could go back to the hassle of all that leaving the house entails for therapy now.
[color=firebrick]I think professional help would probably be beneficial in the meantime, but I don't know that the issues I'm having would necessarily inhibit me from being able to maintain a relationship if I was to get one, especially given that just getting a relationship in and of itself would go a long way in helping to resolve some of those issues.
I'd still much prefer to establish a relationship with a therapist in person and move it to online from there if need be, rather than starting it all online.
Guarantee you they would, placing that much weight onto a relationship will cause it to crumble.
Ah but you would never say it to your loved one? You wouldn't need to, your actions would give you away right from the start. While a predatory narcissist would stay with you because they need a codependent, a regular person (if such a thing exists
If what you're saying here is true, then I'm f***ed, because getting a relationship will always be extremely important to me, at least until I've experienced one.
And I'm not the kind of person who hides things from loved ones. I tend to be honest and forthcoming (maybe even too much so), so I don't see myself going to great lengths to hide anything. I'm smart enough to know that's not sustainable.
Didnt want to be disingenuous, you're not ducked, there are other paths. I think this is part of rigid thinking, not sure if im projecting.
Sorry TGI, I've just been metaphorically punched in the gut by a narcissist I'm unfortunately related to. Didn't see it coming.
Will reply tomorrow when I've recovered from their bullcrap.
Ok, I dont mean that you consciously set the terms. Sometimes our way of thinking as folk on the autism spectrum can be quite rigid, I mean it is a diagnostic criteria...
Like anyone else though we prefer the familiar, yet more so as it brings predictably and supports our routines... the things that help us to function daily.
I mean that you have likely internalised some unhelpful messages (there are plenty of them) and they are influencing your authentic thoughts. That is where the double bind comes from.
None the less you have it within your power to access your authentic thinking. I'm not saying the core desire for emotional intimacy will change, it likely wont, nor should it, you are a human being! but the path to it and the parameters for success can change and you can change them. This is where a good therapist can help, as they can show you an accurate reflection of the bigger picture, something that our autistic thinking can block our ability to see. (Someone who understands autism or is willing to admit that they dont but are willing to learn are key features in a suitable therapist, from my limited experience)
My apologies for being this direct, honestly, I had a fairly rough time last night and find that I have less emotional capacity after these turbulences.
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I'd imagine that it is. It's not like I was having success when I was meeting more women though, but of course the chances of getting into a relationship are greatly diminished when you're not meeting people.
I used to go to bars and clubs more often, but I never had any success there. In fact, drinking and seeing a bunch of pretty women around in the club just made me depressed knowing that they'd never want anything to do with me. On a couple of occasions, the depression got to me so badly that I ended up in hospital until I'd sobered up, and on one occasion when I was particularly drunk, I went about the streets raging and ended up being taken to the police station and being charged with public nuisance after almost starting a fight (I'd never behave like this sober).
All that withstanding, I did try to talk to women at clubs a few times, but talking to random people like that doesn't come naturally to me, the music in the clubs is often too loud to have a proper conversation, most of the time the other person seems disinterested or is ended quickly, and I'd imagine I come off as awkward in a stereotypically autistic way. I also get hit pretty hard by rejections in those situations, so bars and clubs don't seem like a great fit for me as it relates to finding a partner.
I've never heard of anyone meeting a significant other at a cafe. People seem to typically just wish to enjoy their meals and be left alone with the company they've brought with them. Not to mention I don't tend to go to cafes all that often as I almost never dri7nk coffee, I rarely allow myself to drink anything other than water or milk, and most of the foods that I would eat at a cafe are foods that I shouldn't be having often as per my objective to lose weight.
I used to frequent council libraries in my tweens and early teens, as we had no internet at home and there were some online games I liked playing, and again, people don't go there to socialise, they go there to do their own thing. Discounting trying to meet women or if there was some event on that I was interested in attending, I have no inclination to go to the library, as I now do have internet, and don't remember the last time I read a physical book cover-to-cover. I consume books in audio form because it takes less time and I can do other things while absorbing the contents of the audio-books.
The problem is most of the things I can think of that I might be interested in as a hobby that will have a large late-teens-to-late-20s female contingent. The hobbies/interests that I can think of that I [might be interested in pursuing that I'd suspect are going to be male-dominated include chess, political/philosophical discussion and 8 ball pool. In saying that, your post inspired me to think a bit harder, and I believe my best chance for meeting women out of the options I've thought of so far, where the gender ratio might be a bit more balanced would be Pokemon Go meet-ups. I'm not very invested in Pokemon Go, and I don't play it often, but I can probably muster up enough interest for it to where I could use it as an avenue to expand my social circle and if I'm lucky, at least befriend some women.
On a side note, before coronavirus got as pervasive as it is now, I attended an autism spectrum meet-up group in February for the first time. I didn't go with intentions meet women, as I figured the skewed autism ratio would probably mean there wouldn't be many, and I was right.
As for asking people to set me up, I've done that before, and I've learned that people don't like being asked to do that. In any case, the people who care enough about my romantic success that they'd probably set me up if they could are also people who don't know anyone that they could set me up with
I was on dating sites for years, and I never got so much as a date from them (though I was in the process of arranging one on a couple of occasions before the women flaked), so I'm not very optimistic about my chances with them. I haven't used dating sites in about a year, and I've been entertaining the idea of trying them again, but I wouldn't bother trying them again unless I was serious about it (good pictures, good bio). I think I know what approach I'd take with the bio, but I don't have good recent pictures to use, and I don't know what pictures to take. I'm also not very photogenic, so getting good pictures can be hard.
I really wish I knew you, so I could give better advice.
It’s not good to get drunk...that I do know.
I don’t go to bars/clubs. And didn’t even go to these places much when I was in my 20s. I knew the “pursuit” in these places would be futile.
Instead, I tried some very odd ways of meeting people, and I also benefited from introductions from friends. And, sometimes, these women were workmates.
It wasn’t my “intellect” or “good looks” which enabled my success. I don’t have a particular abundance of either. It was my ability to listen when they felt like they needed someone to listen to. I didn’t even have to offer solutions.
I was also relatively nonjudgmental, and didn’t contradict someone too often when I felt like contradicting them.
Women, by and large, don’t like guys who take themselves too seriously.
I joined this site with the intention of making one post venting about my non-existent love-life in hopes of getting responses and advice from others on the spectrum who may have had similar experiences, and who could offer revolutionary advice to me about how to get a girlfriend. It's pretty sad that almost 5 years have passed since then and I'm still struggling with the same problem.
Anyway, the point is that I originally didn't intend to stick around when making this account. I didn't realise that I was going to be reeled in as a regular here by the engaging discussions and the high-quality members (like those of you on this thread), so I didn't put a great deal of thought into the name I used, other than making it different to any other name I've used online for anything. I called myself The Grand Inquisitor simply because I see myself as an inquisitive person, and 19 year-old me thought an inquisitor was merely someone who was inquisitive. If i had the chance to name myself again, I'd come up with a different name.
Getting drunk is alright for some people, but you have to know your limits. I've got to be careful when I'm drinking that I don't get too drunk in situations where I'm prone to thinking about my love life, because being drunk plus thinking about my lack of a love life equals a fairly high chance that I'll have a depressive episode, and those aren't pretty. I only have alcohol on special occasions now because of my weight loss endeavour, not that I was ever a frequent drinker before that.
Getting stoned is much better for me. Instead of risking exacerbating my depression about my love life, getting stoned offers me some temporary relief.
Yeah, I feel the same way. I think the bars and clubs approach is better for extroverted guys, and maybe guys who are ridiculously good-looking.
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Just something that I have thought about that may be useful: women really like it when men take the trouble to remember details about what they like and what they have experienced. Paying attention when you listen and put the focus on them. Ask questions. Friendships are valuable too and having solid, reliable friends always gives me the confidence to explore new relationships. I find that it helps generally in interpersonal relationships and creates a communicational bond. Probably won't hurt with men either.
TGI you sound like a really great person. Having female friends you perhaps can share a common hobby with or interest may be a good starting point. No expectations, just forming little bonds, one step at a time.
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Unfortunately my family is very closely intertwined with this pop culture due to family friends in the sports/entertainment industry. Does this mean I should cut ties with them and start over somewhere else?
You can still be friends with them without knowing/caring about what they do. I still listen to podcasts that often mention pop culture stuff that I don't much care about, but I enjoy their personalities. Just make sure they don't bring their work with them. For instance I don't curse at all but I'm still friends with people that curse. Now if these people were MAKING me curse that is when I would cut them off.
It reminds me of how I would set impossible NT standards for myself before I realised I was on the spectrum and afterwards too, it's taken years to soften just some of the conditioned self hatred and Ive only made significant progress in the last year through regular periods of psychotherapy.
I would reject the characterisation that I've set the terms here. I merely identified them through trying to figure out under what set of circumstances I'd be ok with being single, and I think the requirements would be prior romantic experience and confidence in my ability to get a relationship.
No shame in needing help, I mean autism =social & communication challenges, some rigidity of thinking...
Check out online therapy, I dont think I could go back to the hassle of all that leaving the house entails for therapy now.
[color=firebrick]I think professional help would probably be beneficial in the meantime, but I don't know that the issues I'm having would necessarily inhibit me from being able to maintain a relationship if I was to get one, especially given that just getting a relationship in and of itself would go a long way in helping to resolve some of those issues.
I'd still much prefer to establish a relationship with a therapist in person and move it to online from there if need be, rather than starting it all online.
Guarantee you they would, placing that much weight onto a relationship will cause it to crumble.
Ah but you would never say it to your loved one? You wouldn't need to, your actions would give you away right from the start. While a predatory narcissist would stay with you because they need a codependent, a regular person (if such a thing exists
If what you're saying here is true, then I'm f***ed, because getting a relationship will always be extremely important to me, at least until I've experienced one.
And I'm not the kind of person who hides things from loved ones. I tend to be honest and forthcoming (maybe even too much so), so I don't see myself going to great lengths to hide anything. I'm smart enough to know that's not sustainable.
Didnt want to be disingenuous, you're not ducked, there are other paths. I think this is part of rigid thinking, not sure if im projecting.
Sorry TGI, I've just been metaphorically punched in the gut by a narcissist I'm unfortunately related to. Didn't see it coming.
Will reply tomorrow when I've recovered from their bullcrap.
Ok, I dont mean that you consciously set the terms. Sometimes our way of thinking as folk on the autism spectrum can be quite rigid, I mean it is a diagnostic criteria...
Like anyone else though we prefer the familiar, yet more so as it brings predictably and supports our routines... the things that help us to function daily.
I mean that you have likely internalised some unhelpful messages (there are plenty of them) and they are influencing your authentic thoughts. That is where the double bind comes from.
None the less you have it within your power to access your authentic thinking. I'm not saying the core desire for emotional intimacy will change, it likely wont, nor should it, you are a human being! but the path to it and the parameters for success can change and you can change them. This is where a good therapist can help, as they can show you an accurate reflection of the bigger picture, something that our autistic thinking can block our ability to see. (Someone who understands autism or is willing to admit that they dont but are willing to learn are key features in a suitable therapist, from my limited experience)
My apologies for being this direct, honestly, I had a fairly rough time last night and find that I have less emotional capacity after these turbulences.
I would agree that sometimes I adopt rigid thought patterns, but them being rigid doesn't necessarily mean they're wrong, or that they don't serve me. If I hadn't been able to adhere to conditionally rigid food/drink standards, I'd probably still be obese.
The rationale for the way of thinking that I've laid out in this thread is as follows. I know as much as I could know anything that I'm never going to be satisfied with my life, and I'm constantly going to experience an overarching misery while I've never had a relationship, and this will be especially true while I can't avoid reminders of that fact, so if my fate is to be single against my wishes in perpetuity, that's not a life I have any interest in living. If I can't change that which keeps me eternally miserable, the two options I have are to live out a miserable life, or to cut it short. Of those two options, I find the latter to be less objectionable.
I've implemented a literal deadline for 3 reasons. The first is that if I haven't had a relationship by the age I've chosen, there's no reason to believe that's going to change after then. The second reason is even if it did change after that age, I'd never be able to get over or come to terms with the fact that I missed out on dating while I was young, and I don't think even a relationship could save me at that point. The third reason is that if I'm going to have to suffer, at least having a deadline gives me a quantifiable end date for the suffering, and I can take comfort in the fact that it's not going to continue indefinitely.
I'm sorry that you're having a difficult time, and I hope it resolves swiftly.
You don't need to apologise to me for anything. Your contribution to this thread is appreciated, and I understand if the issues you're experiencing at the moment interfere with your capacity to post here.
