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Children don't seem to get the COVID virus. And most people that survive the virus don't necessarily get permanent lung or kidney damage. It's just a risk like everything else. Some people can suffer permanent damage from food poisoning. Unlikely, but possible.

Do you have a job? Your own home? Bills and rent and taxes to pay? It's quite valid to panic when you have these responsibilities and whenever you turn on the news they're talking about millions of people losing their jobs and businesses and some could even become homeless or live in poverty, when they were once independent, hardworking people happy in their jobs and had plans for the near future. As an Aspie security is equally as important as my health, so if I did lose everything then it will have a huge impact on my wellbeing. Humans need an economy to live. We are not wild animals. We need houses, jobs, utilities, money, etc. And some businesses may never pick up again. The UK government is in over A TRILLION pounds debt. They'll never be able to pay all that back in a million years. It's a lot easier to get into debt than what it is to get out of debt.

It’s unlikely you’ll lose your job, Joe, because public transport is a vital function—and cleaning the buses is a much more important job under COVID than it was previously.

You had a better chance to lose your job back in April/May.

Goldfish is a construction worker. There’s still lots of construction going on. They worked right through the Pandemic. It’s outdoor work.

Most people happen to get COVID, and recover without residual effects. Enough people get kidney/lung, etc damage, however, that nobody wants to take chances with COVID.

I had COVID. I lost 15 pounds because I started walking long distances for exercise after COVID.

Children do get COVID, though many are asymptomatic. Some get symptoms, though. A few even die.

But the same thing can be said about the common flu. It can also produce long term health effects.



Over my lifetime I suffered from several attacks from the influenza. It produced some fairly serious complications.

I have a job And do my own side jobs as an independent contractor - there’s so much work available that I could work day and night if I had the stamina. I don’t even seek out additional side jobs because I’m too busy working long hours to get to the handful of side jobs I have on my todo list at the moment. When you choose to work in an in demand field, and have a variety of others skills and knowledge you can earn a living from when & if things change, you’re never without Something to do to make ends meet even when others are down and out because they’ve pigeon holed themselves into some specific niche in the economy & cannot, or will not, do something else. I’ve bartended, dug ditches, built spreadsheets, sold things online & in person, cooked, cleaned, and currently am a 3rd year trades apprentice - and have done many other things. People need to do whatever it takes to make ends meet vs throw in the towel just because the restaurant they worked at is now closed. Even through this pandemic there are segments of the economy with perpetual “Hiring,” signs up that cannot fill jobs so foreigners are still being brought in daily to do work.

I rent from family and share the house with them. Many people in my generation do that now - it’s super common here. A 20% down payment & closing costs on a house would be about a quarter Million dollars - so, no, I do not own my own house and it’s not a goal of mine to do so.

I have bills & rent and taxes to pay - but no debt. My last $800/mo vehicle payment was September 1st, so now my car And motorcycle are mine. I pay rent, $260/mo for insurance on both vehicles thanks to having about the maximum discount possible, fuel/maintenance, groceries, and every other basic cost of living. I pay Very affordable rent for this area, But which is also approx market price for shared accommodations in this area, but otherwise receive no financial assistance from family or government etc. I work 6-7 days a week and pay for my own life + am very charitable + budget thousands/year for gifts for friends and family.

Who cares how much any government is in debt? Ours is too. Doesn’t affect my personal income or budgeting one iota. Work, earn, budget wisely. Increase your earnings and don’t be wasteful with the excess. Spend time, not money. Build savings and don’t stress about being able to afford basic essentials once you have some $ built up. It may take years of hard work and discipline of struggling through poverty, but it’s worth it for the peace of mind and future relaxation.

Yeah, sure. I’ve been in deep debt before and bankrupt. But then I decided I never wanted to live like that again so formed new habits and now while I’m not rich, I’m comfortable earning an average of so income and living a very low spending lifestyle so that I can continue to accumulate wealth faster and faster towards very expensive goals. And along the way I’ve been able to drop a couple grand on covid related local charities - mostly buying groceries for people - and not really worry about the spent $ at all. It’s a nice position to be in, and I earned it via my sweet labour & building skills that now get me paid a slightly above average wage and as I continue to get faster and better at my trade, it’ll become ever more lucrative and I’ll be able to reach my goals. I’ve had Many constraints and barriers to overcome along the way, including ASD, but there is literally nothing stopping almost anyone else from putting their head down and getting to work and achieving similar - or better - results.

Really, Joe? I didn't think you were this type... what communism, are you that conspiracist in Dr. Strangelove, any leftover brain melting visibly? I've no idea where you heard this no vaccine nonsense, but it almost certainly is nonsense as most trials seem to be succeeding, so the least you can do is to not blame everyone and everything around you... -_-

The information I’m getting is that though many companies are working on a vaccine, there have been numerous failures.
The polio virus and others took years.
We want to be optimistic, but the reality is that all ages are affected by this.
A newborn died of it here in America, proving that it crosses the placental barrier.
That is a VERY big deal.
I want to be hopeful, but the news is not good.
Young, healthy people are contracting it, and are dying, not just older or low resistance people.
Being mad at the Chinese government makes perfect sense to me; they KNEW , and continued to allow/encourage tourism in the affected city, directly causing a worldwide plague.
Why not call it what it is?
A plague.

Let’s see what happens when a vaccine is developed. It’s not a lost cause, by any means.

For most people, COVID is like a case of the flu.....but for far too many people, it’s worse. There are bad aftermaths, complications, and deaths. Way too many of all these things for a flu-like response.

There is flu-like immunity—but the exact nature of it is not definitely known. I know a few doctors, including my wife’s son. They all say the immunity is probably similar to strains of flu.

No government wants to shut off economic activity. It’s never in their best interest to lock down people.

It’s best when COVID is dealt with as a public health issue. Leave politics out of it. Andrew Cuomo is a political blowhard—but he’s right about COVID,

It's not really about a virus and a vaccine. It's about control.

This scenario and its outcome has been predicted for decades.

what at long last will be the outcome?

Probably not really what some hope it will be.

Probably more like what some fear it will be.

are we talking mass murder, or something even more sinister?

It does matter that the government is in debt, because it will mean that there'll be cutbacks left right and center, and the UK is run by Tories who think everyone is rich and will start punishing the unemployed just like they did back in 2011.

People just don't seem to understand how frightened I am by how I could lose everything because of this pandemic, such as my job, my home and my pets. I'll rather just die than be homeless. It will affect my mental health greatly and may cause PTSD in the future. I am just beside myself in absolute terror here.



https://www.news.com.au/technology/scie ... e4fb28e7e1

And I'm not blaming everyone around me. Just these governments that don't seem to know what they're doing.

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You mean, the granny killer?

The nursing home thing was misguided, obviously.....but his idea that health should supersede politics is wise, even if he doesn’t believe that himself (I’m hoping he does believe that himself).

COVID is a public health matter....Politics must stay out,

More restrictions on freedom and less privacy. More government control and micro management.

There's already government sanctioned mass termination of human life.