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25 Feb 2022, 11:27 am

We have government security alerts on mobille devices before every bigger storm - something established after a tragic death a few years ago. One can get used to them quickly enough.


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25 Feb 2022, 1:09 pm

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I hope they don't start testing these government alerts on our mobile devices, as I'm going to be so frightened. It's an invasion of my privacy. Just leave us alone, I don't want to keep being reminded of WW3. Why does the government and the media love scaring us? We've had 2 years of fear instilled into us, couldn't Putin put this off for another few years so that we can live in peace for a while between covid and WW3?


they better not if it goes of while im driving a bus i will probably crash in a blind panic


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25 Feb 2022, 3:14 pm

I heard fireworks at work tonight and I was almost sick with panic because I thought Russia was dropping bombs on us.

God I hate living like this, all I want to do is relax. Now I'm scared my phone is going to start beeping loud alerting me that we're under attack. I feel like disowning a phone, as I don't want to know when I'm going to die.


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25 Feb 2022, 5:37 pm

Joe90 wrote:
I heard fireworks at work tonight and I was almost sick with panic because I thought Russia was dropping bombs on us.

God I hate living like this, all I want to do is relax. Now I'm scared my phone is going to start beeping loud alerting me that we're under attack. I feel like disowning a phone, as I don't want to know when I'm going to die.

Heh, I woke up to sirens yesterday. I laid there quietly staring at the window through the blinds, trying to make out a rumble in the distance or flashes in the sky... I was entertaining the thought that the world is ending.
It was just fire trucks... Probably responding to a car accident.



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25 Feb 2022, 5:49 pm

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I heard fireworks at work tonight and I was almost sick with panic because I thought Russia was dropping bombs on us.

God I hate living like this, all I want to do is relax. Now I'm scared my phone is going to start beeping loud alerting me that we're under attack. I feel like disowning a phone, as I don't want to know when I'm going to die.


I think it would be good for you to take a break from news, especially those spreading via social media, which are used for psychological Warfare and misinformation these days. Stay calm and look at the facts:

-UK is one of few countries to possess a significant nuclear arsenal, meaning that nuking it, even if it wouldn't be a part of NATO, would be extremely dangerous for Russia. Yes, Russian arsenal dwarfs this of UK by orders of magnitude - but your country still have four nuclear submarines and over 120 nuclear missiles ready to fire back and is located close enough to hit major targets in Russia's territory with them.

-UK is an island country. That means troops cannot advance via means other than aircrafts and ships. Guess what? This is why UK does have a significant anti-air defenses and navy. Before any invasion would happen, Russia would have to severely weaken UK's anti-air defenses and destroy majority of warships. Otherwise, they would suffer heavy casualties both in terms of soldiers and equipment. This means that you would be informed about war long before any conventional bomb would be dropped on any city in UK and have time to take shelter. It wouldn't happen out of nowhere. There is like zero risk of you being waken up by sounds of bombs in the middle of the night.

-Attacking on multiple fronts would be way too exhausting for Russia. They have already deployed 1/4th of their forces in Ukraine. This means that targeting UK (which is a tough nut to crack for reasons listed above) as one if the first countries to wage war with, would waste way too much resources.

-NATO is currently deploying more forces to Baltic countries, Poland and Germany to act as a deterrent in case of any plans for expanded attack on Russia's end. Russia would have to get through us first. It is highly probable that it would, but we would slow the enemy advancement significantly. Even in case of nuclear strike, we would be targeted first because NATO ground forces would attack from this direction. Most likely you would have plenty of time to flee to countryside, where it would be safest, seeing that major cities and military installations are potential targets for nuclear strikes.

-There's a significant presence of Russian financial elite in the UK. In fact, this is their go-to country for business and many live there. It is highly probable that nuking it would cause oligarchs to overthrow Putin in matter of hours.

-Once again, remember about MAD doctrine. If you would follow political events in eastern Europe, what Putin actions were in case of Georgia (the country, not a state in USA) and Crimea, you would know that he has been pointing towards possibility of launching nuclear missiles in case of NATO intervention back then. It was the same in case of Russian backed, separatist uprising in Donetsk. I remember that when these events unfolded, one of my co-workers had panic attack as she was sure that A-bomb will get dropped on us any time now. Yet, we are still here.

-Putin goal for all these year is expanding Russia's influence in Eastern Europe. He is not waging a total war against the west, he is a man who sobs over fall of USSR and wants to see his country restored to its former position of power. He is ruthless, but it isn't in his interest to make the Russia a nuclear wasteland (along with most of the US and Europe). He wants to be treated and remembered as a great leader, not ending his life with nuclear holocaust or getting hunted and killed for causing one.

Joe, as an UK citizen, you are in super privileged position when it comes to safety both in case of war and in case of economic crisis (your country is the fifth wealthiest one on the whole globe). And yet, you panic like Russian forces are cutting into your country blitzkrieg-style as of now. I live less than 300 km (less than 185 miles) from Ukrainian's border. Poland also shares border with a part of Russia and Belarus, which is a Russian puppet state. I actually hear and see air-crafts flying above my head, delivering equipment and troops closer to border in case of invasion. And I am not sh*****g my pants, even though I have much higher stakes in all of this - two young daughters, that is.

Also, think of people who actually are fighting in Ukraine as of now. Civilians in Kiev make Molotov cocktails and are handed rifles as they prepare for the siege of the city. Many of those who volunteered to take up the arms have zero combat experience and have not even fired a rifle before. They are to be called as last resort forces and they know that they won't do much. But they still want to do something for their country and their capital. Missiles and artillery shells are already falling on their heads since last night. Yet, they are not committing mass suicide.

CHILL. Find something to do. Something fun. Take your mind off all of this. For your own sake.



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25 Feb 2022, 6:12 pm

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Thank you for reassuring me, I'm in deep sympathy for Ukraine and other countries surrounding Ukraine. It's just that everyone I talk to about it is like "yeah, it is worrying, especially if the UK gets involved..." So I just fear that the worst is going to happen, being so everybody's talking about it, not just on Facebook but offline as well. And I suppose everybody's going to start panic-buying on gas because they think Russia will stop providing our gas supplies. Every time there's something going on in the world, all the sheeple in the UK freak out and go out to bleed the stores/petrol stations/gas supplies/whatever else dry.

Otherwise...I will try and relax. It's just first it was covid and now this. What's next?


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25 Feb 2022, 6:18 pm

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What's next?

Am certain something will be.
For now I'm focusing, mostly, on getting some bits of housework done.
Have to sit and rest a bit between things because of ME/CFS and other endocrine and mitochondrial and musculoskeletal health stuff, so I'm doing that currently.
Also focusing on interacting with my 2 cats.
Also focusing on making some bite-sized bits of progress on a few model building projects, spaceships and trains.

Also, have this playing, runs 9 hours,
(great thing is that being an upload to YouTube there are no breaks for network news!! ! :heart: :D )


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25 Feb 2022, 6:22 pm

Joe90 wrote:
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Thank you for reassuring me, I'm in deep sympathy for Ukraine and other countries surrounding Ukraine. It's just that everyone I talk to about it is like "yeah, it is worrying, especially if the UK gets involved..." So I just fear that the worst is going to happen, being so everybody's talking about it, not just on Facebook but offline as well. And I suppose everybody's going to start panic-buying on gas because they think Russia will stop providing our gas supplies. Every time there's something going on in the world, all the sheeple in the UK freak out and go out to bleed the stores/petrol stations/gas supplies/whatever else dry.

Otherwise...I will try and relax. It's just first it was covid and now this. What's next?


UK already got involved, not in military sense, but in political one. In fact, your country was really fast to react with severe sanctions, much quicker than EU was. I must admit, after Brexit f-up I was not expecting that. Especially not with Boris Johnson in the office, a man who was largely perceived as a pro-Kremlin politician. Hats off to Brits. Your country is doing its part in all of this mess.



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25 Feb 2022, 7:58 pm

I wonder how many people so far have attempted or committed suicide. I can't stop looking up everything to do with suicide ever since covid and it's become a terrible obsession. But when I talked about it on Aspie Forums some genius gave me this "Jesus can help" personal reply full of religious crap and garbage. I hate religion, I hate politics, they are the reason this world is full of it and we're going to die.

Of course I'm going to get banned from Aspie Forums after saying so, they hate it when anyone tells the truth about religion. And I hate them.



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25 Feb 2022, 8:21 pm

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I hate religion, I hate politics, they are the reason this world is full of it and we're going to die.

Actually, I thought hate was the cause of all those problems, a couple references:

Why Is There So Much Hate in the World?
A modest attempt at imagining an integration of hate, love, and hope.
Robert J Landy Ph.D.
Couch and Stage
Posted October 26, 2017
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... -the-world
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When I returned from a roots journey to a small village in southern Poland, I felt a sense of satisfaction. I stood on the land where my grandfather grew up. I breathed in the air that my ancestors breathed. I felt clear and proud that my roots extend to peasants who struggled to make a living.

I came home wanting to believe that people everywhere are well-intentioned; caring for their families and helping out their neighbors, respecting the law and the golden rule. So many kind and generous people guided me on my journey to and within Poland and helped me find what I was looking for.

Truth be told, I am no longer certain what I was looking for. Certainly the satisfaction of connecting to the past, of communing with my grandfather’s spirit, of locating myself better in the present. And yet, as a Jew who has struggled to let go of inherited holocaust trauma, all the trips in the world to Germany and to Poland, even those shepherded by compassionate and gentle guides, do not and cannot release me from the awareness that once upon a time, people just like me were hated so much that many believed our kind should be exterminated. And they did just that, ...

and,

Why People Hate: The Science Behind Why We Love to Hate
https://www.scienceofpeople.com/hate/
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Have you ever heard the cliche, “no bond is stronger than two people who hate the same person?” It turns out there is actually some truth to that statement. Despite hating people being a socially unacceptable act, on the few occasions when people have the guts and/or strong emotion to motivate them to share their negative opinions about a person, it often pays off in the form of new or stronger connections.

Research has found that people form stronger bonds when they are able to talk about their dislike toward someone else than when they both have positive feelings toward someone. The question is, why does an action as disrespectful as spewing negativity about other people increase hateful individual’s quantity and quality of connections?
... Science of People was founded by Vanessa Van Edwards, bestselling author of Captivate: The Science of Succeeding with People


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25 Feb 2022, 8:58 pm

It's not hate, it's all about power, religion and money.

I don't like it when people spew things about Jesus and all that crap either. I'm not religious at all, I don't believe in God or Jesus or heaven or hell or anything like that, which is probably why death frightens me so much. The only way I want to go is to die peacefully in my sleep when I'm old.


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25 Feb 2022, 9:15 pm

That’s how everyone wishes it would end. :(



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25 Feb 2022, 9:18 pm

My mother is going through this now.

I wish I could do something to reverse this.

If I can’t, I hope she passes away thinking lovely thoughts, and that Heaven exists. She was a thorn to my side sometimes…but she deserves to go peacefully.



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25 Feb 2022, 9:24 pm

I wish you the best in dealing with your mother’s illness Kraftie. My parents are still alive but all my grandparents are dead. I miss them dearly. Sorry this is getting off topic now. I don’t pay attention to the news when there’s threats of war. I’ve heard about the invasion. But there’s always some BS going on in the world and threats of war. I just focus on my own problems.



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25 Feb 2022, 9:28 pm

These are the times when I wish there was a God or gods.

World affairs are rough. I don’t blame people too much when they want to be detached from it.



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25 Feb 2022, 9:35 pm

I'll bet the real reason humans have war is because it's one of the few jobs where they can legally murder people.

It must be also why humans get jobs as executioners. Not here in Canada, though. You'd have to go to the US at least to become an executioner. :skull: