Whats wrong with Suicide?

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I'm not religious, and I don't care about the concepts of heaven and hell, but here's my take on suicide: It's an incredibly selfish and cowardly act. Suicide is a coward's way out, and I stand by that. It's a form of death that forever taints your memory to others with sadness, regret, disapproval, anger and confusion- basically all the emotions that contribute to most suicides in the first place. That, and in my mind, also the cowardice and stupidity of carrying out the act. Do you really want to be remembered as a failure and, moreover, a coward, because of your choice of death?

Suicide is throwing away all the chances you ever got and ever will to see or make your life get better; all on account of often temporary feelings or situations. It's like spitting in the face of those who gave you life and supported you through it as best they could. It's like telling them that their efforts weren't good enough, and you're not going to give them another chance to help you and do right by you, just because things aren't going so well right now. Do they really deserve to be punished emotionally for your decision and action to take your own life?

Do you realize that your attitude is exactly what makes people MORE likely to follow through? Have you ever f*****g contempleted that killing oneself is NOT f*****g EASY! Idiot. You're the f*****g coward you dumb dumb dips**t.

You know what is SELFISH! That you have to gall to tell people who are already SUFFERING more than your miniscule pea brain can even imagine that they are selfish.

You clearly do not suffer from any mental illnesses....suicide is certainly not a good thing, but who are you to be so judgemental towards people who become suicidal? I did try living my life soley for other people for a while, and well eventually I started feeling like they would be better off without because I was convinced I was failing them. So I do not think I was being selfish when I attempted sucide. I was wrong(now I am not so sure) but anyways its a lot more complex then you think. Someone who is doing well mentally is not just going to up and kill themself because they decide life sucks a little at the moment....but after prolonged suffering one might start feeling they would be better off dead.

IMO, it's a difficult, painful, but acceptable decision. Discouraging suicide is usually little more than condemning a person to suffering. What's so great about life, that everyone should cling to it at any cost anyway?

Thanks for the name-calling and swearing; real mature, there. I was only stating my views on the subject, and my views on it are as as final as the act itself is. If you've got a problem with that, feel free to take it up with me over PM, but leave out the insults, because I clearly didn't attack you with any, and I don't intend to. If you took 'coward' as an insult, I apologize; it wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, but that's how I see the willing commission of suicide. Also, I know suicide isn't easy to carry out- I'm actually rather well educated, as I've known several people who've committed suicide, and my mom's side of the family has a long history of mental disorders and mental health issues, including Asperger's and chronic depression.



I guess I can get kind of judgmental on subject I feel strongly about, but then, who doesn't, really? And I don't have any mental illnesses right now, but back when I was a teenager, I suffered from undiagnosed chronic depression for almost three years straight, not helped by the fact that I had undiagnosed Asperger Syndrome on top of that, and had moved across the country three times in the past five years and all the stress that comes with that process on bothe ends of the move.

Like I mentioned above, I'm familiar with the causes of suicide, and prolonged depression and whatnot. That still doesn't change my views on the choice to take your own life. Even during those three darkest, most frustrating, alienating, stressful and just plain screwed up years of my life when I suffered from depression; no matter how hard it got, I never considered suicide as an option or a way out. I may have fantasized and wrote stories about acts of violence I'd like to commit, out of my twisted sense of 'cool' at the time, but that was all.

That, and if you're considering suicide, you're not thinking straight. There is a chemical imbalance in your brain that is preventing you from thinking like a normal, chemically stable person who can look past the suffering and see options and ask for help.

i think that you only live once.
after you die, it will be just like before you were born.

before you were born, there was an infinite amount of time that you did not feel anything, and you felt no "duration".

after you die, there will also be an infinite amount of time where you feel nothing, and again also feel no "duration" of time.

but since we are alive right now, then our prenatal infinity of nonexistence terminated with our existence for a finite amount of time. how can an infinity of non existence "come to an end" with ones biological inception?

it seems almost certain that there is infinity behind, and infinity ahead, and the junction of those 2 infinities (infinity/2=infinity) is the duration of my "life" that lasts for only an instant in the scale of eternal time.

when you die, you are dead forever and you will not be coming back to the universe in the forever that lies ahead.

i will struggle to be in the tiny slot in which i can be alive in for as long as i can and then i will sleep forever without any memory of the things i hated when i was alive.

your life does not last forever, and therefore it lasts for only an instant in the fullness of time.
i will let that instant be fulfilled as this is the only chance i get forever to "see".

I had undiagnosed aspergers, chronic depression and anxiety ever since I can remember....3 years is like a walk in the park compared to how long I've suffered depression. Not saying 3 years of it is not bad but I have dealt with worse. And of times one is not thinking straight when they decide to kill them self. But at the same time when you are failed by counseling, anti-depressants, suppressing it all in an attempt to move on you start losing assuming things are not going to 'get better' and options become quite slim. I mean I have been feeling quite suicidal for a couple weeks....and quite frankly I don't know what options there are other then accepting the depression will never go away and I will have to endure it as long as I can stand. Luckily I have found relief in the form of listening to music and smoking cannabis but that only treats the symptoms really.

Also i might add if it is for sure a chemical imbalance is it really fair to accuse someone in that state of mind of being selfish and only thinking of theselves based on the standards you would hold a more stable person to?

But on top of that depression and everything, have you ever had any semblance of a stable household and a genuine social life ripped out from under you by moving clear across the country almost continuously? Even in a sound state of mind, it's like being told to put everything good and constant in your life through a wood chipper and then being told to get over it and put the pieces back together as best you can without any help what-so-ever. Not trying to start a pissing contest; just something to consider.


Well, if they're not even trying to do anything to improve their situation, then, yes, in a way, it is fair to hold them to the same standard, as they haven't even demonstrated what they're capable of when it comes to helping themselves or helping someone help them. Self-pity isn't a solid excuse not to at least try to improve a situation and make a change, even if it's only a small one.

And maybe there is not much they can do....I mean when I attempted suicide I had no idea who to talk to about how I felt. I knew I was in pain and wanted it to end not to mention I felt like I was just a burden and a crappy person....so suicide seemed to be the only choice. I did not even know I had any mental problem so I was very confused a to why I constantly felt worn out, depressed and like everything took twice the amount of effort it took other people. I mean I knew I was good at some things but even so because of how the depression effected my abilities I kinda belived the other kids when they called me stupid and ret*d and all of that.

Since that attempt I have come close quite a few times, and it is a stuggle not to give in to the suicidal thoughts, but you have to understand I've tried putting it all behind me, I've tried religion, I've tried writing in journals, I've tried counseling, I've tried anti-depressants and nothing has caused things to improve. I do what I can to get relief from the depression so I can at least feel a little better but nothing seems to totally get rid of how I feel.

suicide is wrong on multiple levels using multiple schools of thought

Evolution: it is illogical for a member of a species to end its life, as it is the mission of life to reproduce as much as possible

Psychology: A person who is considering suicide most often is not in a clear state of mind. They are influence by various mental illness and have "blinders" on. These group of people in this specific circumstance often lack the ability to make basic decisions (ie:Should I take a shower?) and should not make life or death decisions

Rationalism as it exists in sociology: A person's worth to a community is the services they provide and the ability they provide for others by being a "servicee". Thus suicide does not make sense if you are a productive society member as your production is loss, and does not make sense if you are "non-productive" as your existence provides social workers, psychiatrists, mental health workers, disability lawyers, etc. with a career.

Because it hurts families and friends emotionally. They lost someone they loved. Imagine a parent committing suicide? How would their kids feel?

Plus I think people who commit suicide are not thinking rationally. They don't think of later or the consequences about after they commit suicide. They are only thinking of now and their problems and knowing if they kill themselves, it will end their problems not really thinking it's a permanent solution to a temporary one.


If my husband were to commit suicide or me, it would hurt him because he be left as a single parent and a baby and it would change his life and be stressful for him and his family. Plus my son would grow up without his mother. If my husband committed it, it would change my life and hurt me as well. More anxiety, more meltdowns and maybe shutdowns, maybe be on more GA, move apartments, not work much perhaps. It be very stressful for me and I would feel very angry at my husband about it and hate anyone who commits suicide and resent it even more and loathe people who do it. Already thinking like this makes me hate suicide and think down on people who do it and think of it as a selfish thing. Suicide makes me feel angry. I have been there myself and am glad I never did it or my husband would have never met me and have this baby. It would take suicide to keep that from happening and my husband would still be single.


So that is why suicide is bad. THIS.

Last edited by League_Girl on 20 Jun 2011, 5:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.

What if the problem is not temporary?

Then work towards a solution that provides a manageable state- that's all you can do, really (though, from personal experience and horror stories from others, I wouldn't recommend self-medication, really- my forms of it could have easily gotten me suspended from school, arrested, or even sent to a psych ward). This is an Asperger's/Autism forum, after all; it's not like the condition that brought most of us here is just going to up and go away anytime soon, leaving us as well-adjusted, happier, more social individuals.

Then those people need help. Eg. if they are depressed because they think they can't live with being single for the rest of their lives, they need counseling. Imagine if the internet went out all over the world and there was never going to be internet again? Am I going to kill myself for that because that is a permanent problem? I would need help if I was thinking of doing it and not thinking rationally about what if I did it.

Actually you DID attack people by calling suicidal people cowards. You are the coward to pass such judgement. Knowing someone who has committed suicide is not the same as living in their shoes. You, and others also accuse people who are suicidal of "not thinking straight". That alone displays that you are totally clueless.

These stigmas and moral judgements that society has against people who have a genuine and chronic case of depression add a completely unnecessary burden on top of everything else. I'm almost certain you wouldn't judge someone the same for a physical ailment. Depression after all is physiological. It can render one incapable of experiencing joy or any sense of meaning or fulfillment from life and in the case of people like me anti-depressents and other treatments have failed over the long term. The problem with depression is everyone "thinks" they know what it's like because they've been "depressed" at one or more points in their life due to situations. The point is not all depression is created the same. Situational depression can be dealt with and often heals itself with time but a chronic case can just go on and on and on, and often the constant tiredness, weariness, emptiness, lack of interest, lack of joy, etc... have no external cause. There is nothing you can simply "fix" when the problem is your own biology chemically attacking you. You are simple unable to experience the things you see others around you experiencing from day to day, and I don't give a damn who you are and what you think you're made of, after a while you are worn down and fail to see the point of going on.