Subtle and Blatant Misogyny

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No, you won't "Die" if you don't have sex, but you will live a pointless life.. since sex is the only reason any life beyond one celled critters exists.

Sorry, If you don't like it or don't want to do it.. don't.. But the other 6.999999998 billion people on earth seem to need to do it a lot.. Everything humans have developed, including society itself, ultimately boils down to reproduction and resource gathering. Women are where babies come from, people are a resource, therefore women are resource producers... It sucks, it's unfair, but it's not inaccurate.

Last edited by rabbittss on 10 Feb 2013, 7:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.

ultimately, all of the reasons in the world don't excuse sexist behaviour. so people on the forum either need to deal properly with their emotions, or they need to at least suppress their anger on the forum (or they need to find another forum where they can express it freely). none of the excuses really matter if they are not going to change through any of the interventions that we try to give them here.

Unless you proscribe to a theology, everyone, regardless of how much sex they have, will live a "pointless life". Unless you mean that the "point" of life is to spread our genes on to the next generation? The funny thing is, though, it's not so much that reproduction is the reason for life, but rather, reproduction is the means by which life has continued. They're different things, and pretty much irrelevant to the average modern human in this day and age.

Well that is what I mean, and No I don't subscribe to any theology that would be classifiable as such. But you do bring up a good point.

Up until a few hundred years ago it was the "Country" that mattered, not the races that made up the country, Up until a few decades ago it was the 'Race' that mattered, not the individual member of that "Race", now it's the individual that matters penultimately.. and that idea could certainly explain WHY all these people are taking it so personally.. In those other two situations if you weren't having sex you could still do something to further your group.. But when you realize that the group with the fewest ties to society are also the group that's complaining the most about not getting sex.. It does make one wonder.

No, and I've tried to reiterate it over and over that I'm not seeking to "Excuse" but "Explain"... If I've not made that clear enough.. let me say it again, I'm not trying to "Excuse" but to "Explain". Through explanation, comes understanding, through understanding, comes change.

no, because you're explaining to the people who are the targets of this specific sexism on the forum. we cannot change anything at all through our understanding. people who are the targets of racism do not need to be made to understand why people are being racist against them as it will not stop the racism! the people who are being racist need to make change from within themselves, perhaps through a better understanding of the people they are targeting.

it is the people making sexist posts who should be seeking to understand the people they are targeting, not the other way around.

I don't disagree that the need for sex is a base instinct. I just think it needs to be treated differently. It's not like we have a sex shortage or anything, and one can survive without sex (which differentiates itself from all the other essential "needs").

Sadly, I have no solutions. orz

You've got your expectations set pretty far up in the clouds then. The people who are frustrated and hurt are NEVER going to see it the way you do, and they aren't even going to be able to see it objectively as a cause and effect like I can.

So why would I waste my time even talking to them?

5 pages to go, Meems. Do you want it locked yet?

Can everyone please adhere to the OP's request and stop sh*****g up the thread?

i am not suggesting it would work, i am just suggesting that if you were looking for the correct group to speak to, you have it backwards. you randomly thought you should try to make change by talking to the targets by creating understanding, which makes no sense. you came into the thread to give "reasons", and it was not only pointless to the aim of making any change but also disrespectful to the feelings of the people who are targeted by the sexism.

if you want to make change, then there are ways to try do so. this isn't it.

I'm an idealist, what can I say. ;B

The thing is, though, I don't think things have to be this way. I think they can change, and from what you said above, you seem to think they can too.


I think the discussion we just had was relevant. We were talking about the influencing factors of this problem. Understanding those, like rabbittss mentioned earlier, is a step in the right direction.

I think you've misunderstood some where along the line.. I don't really care one way or another about making changes. I don't like changes. Ever. Even "For the better".. I prefer the status quo almost without fail. But that being said, I also don't like people treating other people badly. But as I said before, I'm not hear for solutions just for understanding.

But the way I read the original post was as a person who wasn't sure why so many people kept treating women so badly on this forum... I sought to explain it. The guys who treat women badly, already know why they treat women badly.

^^^this is what you said. you used the word change, not me.

nobody was looking for an explanation why there is so much sexism on the forum. the OP made it clear she wasn't confused, just frustrated and upset. so we don't need this here.

Yes, I made the statement that's how 'Change' happens.. I never said that I wanted change.

I mean if all this was supposed to be was her complaining about something that can't be fixed.. then I guess I missed that memo.. generally if I care enough about something to post on this site it's cause I actually am looking for that occasional post that helps me figure out how to get things to go back to how they should.

The reason I posted this in the Haven was because I wanted to vent, get it out of my head and express it in words. The Haven isn't specifically an advice sub-forum, as far as I know.

I don't know why you would make the statements that you were "explaining" things, and then say it leads to understanding and then change, if you weren't saying that was your end goal.

I am actually so relieved to see that there is any discussion about trying to work on finding a way to improve things, I am fine with one person letting it all out and talking in circles, I assume it's just anger, it's not as bad as some of the stuff that goes on around the board.

Hyperlexian, I'm probably about to pass out and sleep for twelve hours but I really want to respond to some of your posts because I thought you had some really thoughtful things to say and I appreciate your participation in the thread. I'm going to respond tomorrow at length. I didn't want to seem like I was ignoring all of the positive input.