I wish I had a gun so I could shoot myself in the head

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To clarify: In context, he is talking there about the unhelpful ways, in his view, that people react when someone says they are experiencing suicidal feelings. It is treated as if the problem is entirely "within" the person, and ignores other factors in our cultures, including the marginalisation of the suicidal. He is not "blaming the victim" for feeling suicidal. (He is a survivor himself). Basically he campaigns because he sees that the kind of help people need is largely not there, the wider cultural understanding of why someone might feel suicidal in our cultures is not there, the suicidal are very marginalised when they ask for help. His view is "Having problems, even suicidal thoughts won't kill you. Holding on to these thoughts and trying to battle through by yourself is the killer" - the lack of understanding and exclusion. The kind of help available, he thinks, would be more helpful if it stopped labelling people as "mentally ill" automatically, and I agree with that, it isolates people in distress even more, and adds to their marginalisation and pain. We live in cultures which are not very skilled at really listening, but quick to judge and label. And in suicide, that response can be deadly, because it adds to the pain.

However I really admire that you have been brave enough to share with us and hope you do feel heard, we do care.

Well that last post was both validating for me and made my future look pretty grim but my own suicidal thoughts is not what this thread is about so. My better judgement tells me not to post this and I don't mean to derail but I suppose I can offer support in the fact that I am and have been suicidal for the last year. It is a daily struggle to carry on and most of the time I do it by not caring so if anyone needs validation with these feelings, I am open to questions. Beyond that I'll stay out of this thread cause I don't really know what to say not because the topic doesn't interest me. I hope things get better androbot01.

Sorry your father is behaving this way.

What do you mean by "real sick people?"

I will. I'm thinking along the same lines.



Hugs

It is possible that a new treatment for depression could become available.

I see. That makes sense. And I agree with him, but I think it will take a long time for this world to come into being.

I am curious, then, how do you feel about the cultural sanctions against suicide?

Hey Androbot sorry to hear that you are feeling the way you are now. It would be a pity for you go now. I personally felt though I really enjoyed discussions I had, you very clearly have a very unique outlook on life that is interesting to listen to.

As far as depression goes I don't think their is a whole lot to relate to here. Other than for me around this time last year is was feeling rather miserable. Since then I have improved bit by bit and to be honest when you are at your worse you feel nothing can change. But things could well improve as in my experience they have.

"But this is human life: the war, the deeds,
The disappointment, the anxiety,
Imagination's struggles, far and nigh,
All human; bearing in themselves this good,
That they are still the air, the subtle food,
To make us feel existence and to shew
How quiet death is."

You are quite clearly sane and lucid, fully capable of making such decisions. I understand very well all you say here. Take your time and do some solid and lengthy research (there's some good, serious literature on the subject), prepare yourself thoroughly and don't act on impulse. This process itself can bring surprising peace of mind and clarity. If you're still determined to go through by then, you'll at least spare yourself the terrible possible consequences of a botched attempt.

Living in constant, excruciating pain is a nightmare, I wish you find your way out of yours, one way or another.

Thank you. I was irked that the vp/abortion thread got closed. I wanted to hear the response to my last argument.


So true.

I still don't understand why one is obliged to endure suffering without end for the sake of not upsetting others. it's like those who are able to enjoy life are offended by those who aren't. Almost like they feel guilty for the other's suffering, but I'm not sure why they would feel that way.

Me too man. I'm always up for carrying it on however.

The issues are not unrelated. I said earlier that Canada has an assisted dying bill now ... I only met it's qualifications for one day, lol; they realized the Pandora's box they had opened and quickly closed it by adding the clause about foreseeable death.

CBC: Liberals' assisted-dying bill is now law after clearing final hurdles

Medical Assistance in Dying: Overview of Federal Government Response



So, in my country assisted dying is permissible. It is the criteria that are being debated. I'm still using the criteria of self-awareness for abortion, but in this thread these criteria have been expanded to the above.

Anyway, this is something I think about. I know I don't meet the requirements for assisted suicide, but that it is legally acceptable makes the option of my own suicide more reasonable to me. There is a point where ending life is acceptable.

I guess no one is going to talk to me about this anymore. I get it. I'm playing for the other team now. And to those of you who have said that you appreciate my membership here, thank you. It is a symptom of suicidal thinking to start distancing yourself from those who offer sentiments of care. I think that is because you have to harden yourself to do it. Like shooting a deer, you know you are taking something from it, but you're going to do it anyway.

I think though that our culture needs to own up to the fact that it is not desirable for all. And to be clear, it is not because of my autism that I want to die; it is because of what happened to me because of my autism. And for this I do blame "them," those who function well in this world. And they won it fairly I suppose, but I still think their arrogance leads them to miss some really cool stuff.

Anyway, I'm not doing this until the cold weather sets in, so I am going to be around for a few months yet. I really would appreciate any philosophical arguments. And smudge, who did you want me to kill again?

^ I wondered who was going to take that seriously.

If you're that much in a bad place, it's half 3 here in the morning, and I was about to make myself go to bed...however, if you *really* need to talk, I'm around. It f*cking sucks being in that position.

I get the release thing as well. I'm careless with suggesting death and shooting people, it really means nothing to me. I've told my mother my ideal death would involve a tornado sucking me up then throwing and bashing me into a building or something. It makes me laugh but I realise others don't really get it. They find me a little strange, then again, joking on a benefits form that I like to carry a gun around with me in case I feel like going on a shooting spree has made some people laugh.

Well I was going to post the above in the uplifting Christian thread in PPR, which really would be mean. So I'll just post it here instead. Lol

^ Wow, that was...different! It's not my sort of music, but anything that makes you feel better. I'm more into the popular stuff I suppose.

I think I'll be off to bed now. Take care of yourself, OK? I'll talk to you later today if you like.

If you are going to kill yourself soon, but not real soon, then I guess you might as well have some fun. Stomach cancer isn't a concern any more, so eat all the fresh grilled meat you want. I tend to think this way and then I have to get a lot of exercise because I don't want to have to get buried in the fat coffin, and then after I have a good meal and a good workout, I don't feel like dying. It's useless.

Yeah ... I can imagine that it is a bit disturbing. I see the world like that right now. Lies and false smiles. It's all fun and games when you have the right equipment.

Stomach cancer has never been a particular concern. My Dad died of colon/prostate/everywhere cancer, so I kinda figure that's where I'm headed too. Whatever, something's got to kill ya.
I have to say that I love to eat steak especially when it's barbecued.

I think what's getting me down is that I just can't drink their Kool-aid. If I have to drink cool aid, I want it to be mine.

Sorry If I am preachy and off topic.

I guess the thing is with assisted suicide is that society thinks it should only ever be used when death is the only way out and conditions where you lose functioning such as Dementia or Parkinson’s. But the thing is with Autism it isn’t actually the case society still sees a life with autism as being one that is worth living.

Until the beginning of this year I was really depressed, the thing is I thought autism was going to give me a life of hell but then I learnt later on that wasn’t the case. I went to a new school and there I saw many Autistic people, some were popular, some had boyfriends and girlfriends and the thing is many got along with their neurotypical peers. The thing is at that stage I learnt that people with Asperger’s and autism were just as capable for living a good life as anyone else. I am not going to say I fully understand your situation but from my experience many people with Autism are capable of living just as a good life as others. It is just a matter of how we are perceived

Also if you think society has misjudged you because of your condition why you don’t try to work to change it and start advocacy I know that helped me when I was feeling at my worst. And let’s think about it there are millions of autistic children that are going to become adults, I would honestly hate the thought of them being mistreated in the way many autistic people already have been and feeling the way you are. Why can’t we not crack under pressure but instead work to change things.

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