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if gov't control will help keep the psychopathic capitalists off my back, then i'm in favor of it.

There is a group of evil people who want to push an evil agenda related to a new world order. They are exploiting the virus by scaring people into staying home and shutting down economies. They don't want people to have freedom. I personally think the "Green New Deal" is another fancy word for the new world order. They also have been exploiting Greta Thunberg too.

There is no “new world order.”

That’s an Alt-Right fantasy.

Don’t be influenced by the “Turner Diaries.”

My wife is a nurse. She knows COVID is for real. She’s on the front lines.

I agree with kraftiedortie on this point. If you constantly look at this pandemic under a political lens, you will never arrive at a correct course of action.

When you come across a major problem, the best approach is to throw everything at the problem and see what sticks. And for the most part this is being done. But solutions do not always happen overnight.

There are about 2,000 drugs and vaccines now in clinical trials which have been registered on the federal government’s database. ACSH advisor Dr. Henry Miller argues that to get COVID-19 under control we will need therapeutics no matter how effective vaccines are. Fine-Tuning Treatments For COVID-19

Attacking the pandemic from many different angles is a good approach. It goes along with the saying DON'T PUT ALL YOUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET.

But a better approach is to move back a distance and view this pandemic from an even broader angle. We tend to rely too much on the government. They hold part of a solution. But the individual also holds part of a solution. Your actions can determine your health outcome - whether you contract the virus and whether you survive the virus. There are many simple things that you can do that will increase your survival rate. [For example, you might take a Vitamin "D" supplement. Or buy an inexpensive pulse oximeter and if you come down with a fever, monitor your oxygen level. And should it fall into the danger area, head immediately to the emergency room instead of roughing it out at home.]

We are adults and we no longer need to be spoon fed. We are capable of taking actions on our own.

I am 72 years old and my age puts me in the vulnerable group. Also I had many co-morbidities (obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, asthma) that makes me even more vulnerable. But I made some changes in my life and put all my co-morbidities in remission. I am not chained to my bed. I am constantly up and about, even when there was a lockdown in place. Many months ago, I jokingly said that "I should buy a tee-shirt that read I Escaped Quarantine". I adopted the philosophy of Protecting Myself. I looked at the danger, and took precautions, good precautions. But taking this approach meant I was free as a bird. When my wife who is an extreme extrovert began to feel terror, I put her in the car and took her for a drive in the country. I told her, the world is still there. No need to fear because I am here to protect you.

Which 'they' is this that says that? All the news I can find recently - from actual scientific and medical people, not politicians or their mouthpieces - is fairly positive about vaccine research results.

Also, everyone keeps saying how hard it is to stop the spread - funny, the number of daily new cases are now down to less than one per three million people here. And 299 out of 300 of those cases will survive. All you need are politicians who listen to medical professionals. Or at least a populace who won't put up with politicians who don't.

(Fun fact: if this was applied to the US, that would mean around ten individual deaths per month, nationally, compared to the, what, twenty thousand or so it's currently sitting at? The UK would be more like two individuals per month, compared to around... three, four thousand?)

I mean, forgive me if I'm not all doom-and-gloom about this. Smart people are working on it and are making good progress. The only real issue is how many tens or hundreds of thousands of people that various national leaders are going to kick into the meat grinder in the meantime to fuel their own egos.

In theory, you're right, but in practice, it's not that simple. Not everyone is born with the same chances. People with heavy physical disabilities just can't do certain jobs no matter how much they'd study or practice, which narrows down their, our, chances to work. Sure, healthy people have their options open, but for those as disabled as me, or more disabled than me, we can't just pick what we want to do for a living; we have to seriously consider what our faulty bodies are able to handle.

...Sorry if that came out as agressive, but it just hits me pretty hard when someone says that everyone has equal chances of success (or when someone says something that sounds like it to me) when not everyone is born heavily disabled.

You can try to control whether you catch COVID, but you can't control whether you lose your job or not.

I'm not saying we all are 100% guaranteed safe from the virus if we keep to the restrictions but we can still control it to some extent if we practice social distancing, the wearing of face masks, hand sanitizing, etc. The high risk people are capable of protecting themselves by keeping away from others as much as possible, which is easier if they are retired or unemployed. If one is not mentally capable of controlling their personal environment then usually they are in some sort of care anyway and then it's up to care services to protect the vulnerable.

But nobody has any control over what the government wants to do and nobody can control the fate of their jobs during this difficult time.

What keeps panicking me is the way they keep changing the facts when I'm trying to be optimistic. If they told us that there's definitely going to be a vaccine (or effective treatment that saves lives) ready by, say, June, and they didn't keep doubting on the facts, then yes, I WOULD be more patient and ride it out until June. But because they keep saying scary things like "a vaccine may never happen" or "this is going to be life now forever", I just feel distraught and start worrying.

If I can learn from this thread that there will be a vaccine or some other reliable and effective treatment at some point next year and that we will slowly be able to regain normality without more lockdowns, then I can try to train myself not to believe the negative doubts the media keeps throwing at us. I will keep away from the news and current events section because that was what triggered me to write this thread.

What is your job that could evaporate due to the pandemic? Some industries are hard hit - like restaurants and hotels.

What transferable skills do you have from your job that you could apply to an in demand industry that pays at least well enough to cover your expenses? Doesn’t hurt to have a plan B and maybe even C & D just in case you have to pivot to something else to make ends meet.

Why would you expect any government to be able to tell you that by June such and such a date an effective vaccine will be rolled out and distributed? If they said that they’d be lying and then deemed untrustworthy because it’s literally impossible for any politician to guess when scientists and researchers might come up with a working vaccine.

As for treatments, there are already better treatment methods and medicines in use. It’s been several months and doctors & nurses have better figured out what works and what doesn’t, so there’s a higher success rate treating patients and a declining death rate as a result. Further existing medicines are being tested, too, and I’m confident that they will result in even better treatment protocols and even lower death rates. One article I read was about a super computer analysis that they think may have determined the pathology of the disease so that they can better target the biochemical processes at play with different therapeutics that in theory should be more effective.

Be patient; all the world’s pandemic & medicine nerds are working as fast as they can. They’ve already made incredible progress and will likely continue to do better and better. Who knows, maybe by this time next year treatments are so good that almost no one dies from COVID-19 even though it’s still circulating. Just wait and see - it’s all we really can do.

I’ve shared in this forum countless times that 8 years ago I was too disabled to hold a job and work, but I did the learning & work necessary to get myself into the kind of shape required to hold a job and earn my way out of poverty.

I never said it was easy. It’s hard work. But many others can choose to do the work on, and for, themselves, and get back into the workforce and earn a living. Not everyone, but many. I’m not so special and unique that I’m the only one who can do this. People have to decide to do it and then do the work.*

*Obviously some physical disabilities prevent some people from doing some jobs. Some guy with no arms is not going to magically be able to do a job lifting heavy things etc. Duh.

It will get to a point where people will just ignore any rules relating to isolation or travel. It won't be the end of life as we know it as people will rebel.

I work as a cleaner at a local bus depot. Best job I've ever had, and I had my heart set on working my way up in the bus industry, like engineering. I know people say that the buses are safe because people use them, during the last lockdown some bus-drivers claimed that they had less than 2 passengers within their 10-hour shift on bus services that were usually busy. The company may be backed up, but the local depot where I work might lose out and close down, causing me to be out of a job.



I do not want to work at any care homes, hospitals or retail. I like buses. I like my job and it will be a BIG DEAL if I was to lose my job.

Cleaning is a transferable skill AND it happens to be in high demand during a viral pandemic where many surfaces have to be cleaned more frequently to prevent the spread of C-19!

IMO: Reality is that it doesn’t particularly matter if you Want to Only clean buses/bus stations (which should be in high demand to keep public transit areas clean during the pandemic), IF your depot gets shut down and you’re out of a job you’ll Need to take a job cleaning something else temporarily until your bus depot cleaning job is back. If you Must relate it to your interest in buses in order to do it, remind yourself every day that you’re only cleaning this other place temporarily along your journey back to the bus depot again and it’s not your occupation forever - just a stop-gap job to pay the bills until you can be surrounded by buses again.

People do what they Need to do when they need to do it. I’ve bartended with teachers, unloaded trucks with Olympic athletes and concrete structure architects etc - people take on jobs that are available and do them with a smile in order to make ends meet & save towards their financial goals. It’s that simple.

If you lose your job and other jobs are available but you Refuse to do them and end up homeless as a result then it’s not for lack of jobs, it’d be because you refused to accept reality and work a different role for a while. Don’t do that. It won’t serve your goal of maintaining your home and pets Nor of getting back to work at the bus depot. I’m sure they’d rather see that you kept working away cleaning something else vs became homeless and desperate waiting for your bus depot cleaning job to return.

I'm finding all this annoying. If our government decides to increase the lockdown level, I refuse to abide by it or respect it, as they are not thinking straight. Lockdowns aren't the solution. Governments have no right to treat citizens like kids.

Covid's not worth risking economies for. What suddenly made it the "king of all diseases"?

Ranting I know, but making all these concessions for an invisible enemy just seems like giving in. And humanity doesn't like the idea of giving in. We're sociable creatures. And it's not possible to wear masks while eating, drinking, chatting or exercising. I for one can't hear properly what people are saying when they're masked up like some surgeon.

How do you reconcile this attitude against areas where citizens have taken lockdowns & mask wearing seriously and have very low rates of COVID-19 transmission?

Governments aren’t doing lockdowns because they love the idea of telling people what to do and killing economies. They’re doing it in the best interest of public health and the better people abide by them sooner, the shorter they need to be to get covid under control. It's not rocket surgery - it’s pretty basic science.

There’s a map of North American covid cases circulating on Facebook. There’s pretty much a straight line drawn across the Canadian/American border - almost All red in the USA and almost all clear in Canada.. because Canadians, and our leadership, took it seriously & did what we needed to do to protect & respect one another’s health.

Social distancing & masks work.

The fact that it’s a Novel lethal virus and we didn’t know how it behaved or could be treated etc. Officially, ~230,000 dead in the USA, but due to excess death numbers it’s likely closer to 300,000 already. It still has the potential to kill a few Million people in the USA alone. That’s why the world is doing their best to fight it vs just let it kill Millions of people. I’m not sure why this is difficult to comprehend.

You’re not expected to wear a mask while eating or drinking, but you Are expected to respectfully keep 6’ distance from others.

It IS possible to wear a mask while chatting & exercising. Sometimes you have to repeat yourself or ask someone to repeat themselves. That’s life. Athletes have run marathons wearing masks. I don’t really think people Have To wear masks while out for a run - just keep your distance from others. But it is Possible to wear one.

Surgeons are a great example. You think they drop their scalpels to pull their masks down and talk?? No. They just speak loudly and clearly, as does everyone else in an operating theatre, and carry on with their work. It’s the new normal, get used to it.