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06 Sep 2007, 11:36 am

This is just what I've observed though, I knew an attractive girl with high functioning CP and used a walker, but she still had more guys than she could shake a stick at. If she were a male, the stigma would have over-rided her ability to attract anyone, as he (in reality a she) would have to pull all the strings to get the girl to take interest.



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06 Sep 2007, 11:36 am

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As for why I spoke about this here, I just had to get it off my back. This is the haven, that is why this place is here after all.


Get if off your back?

You were threatening to kill yourself. :?

And you've been given good advice, by me and by others.

I suggest you take it.

Women and their attitudes are not the problem here; you are mentally ill, and you need professional help.



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06 Sep 2007, 12:18 pm

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As for why I spoke about this here, I just had to get it off my back. This is the haven, that is why this place is here after all.


Get if off your back?

You were threatening to kill yourself. :?

And you've been given good advice, by me and by others.

I suggest you take it.

Women and their attitudes are not the problem here; you are mentally ill, and you need professional help.


Look, rather I'm "ill" or not is debatable, but I have offered proof that I have been wronged, as well as many other people in my situation (male and female, but mostly males), but instead of actually acknowledging this, you stick your fingers in your ears and go "lalalalalalalalala".

As I said, rather I am in some reguards "ill" or not is debatable, but I was pushed to this point, I've offered you evidence and you ignore it because it doesn't fit your set-in-stone point of view, and that is very ignorant. And many disability rights activists around the world would agree with me, as they have made waves in europe and around the world but are being marginalized and largely ignored here in the US.
You know, just to paraphrase, white slave owners thought blacks and native americans were "pathetic" and "Whiney" for wanting to be equals, for wanting their freedom, after the slave owners had escaped from Europe for their own freedom, and went on to fight a war against the brittish for that freedom. Freedom, like love/lust, are not something that you can't physically live without, but you can't deny your life would be totally miserable without them.
yeah, when they made the native americans live homeless? Did you know that many whites felt pity for them and gave them blankets riddled with small pox, and were shocked at the Natives' protest? Does any of that hit close to home? It probably doesn't for you, but it damn sure does for me.
History repeats itself because people are too ignorant to catch it. Disabilities have the longest history or oppression, forced sterilizations, marginalization, exclusion, and systematic stigmatization of demonization, institutionlization. For many years progress for those of us with disorders fighting the eternal stigma have been slow to make progress as we were scattered few and far between, but in modern times we are coming together and voicing our opinions more and more. Ask New Yorkers.
Your not better than me because "you've got the skills" or because you conform. It's this attitude among common society that makes me realise, as I said, if I were going crazy, it was pushed, but society is just sociopathic. So why don't you get proffessional help? Oh yeah that's right, why would you go to another sociopath for mental help and learning not to be a sociopath?



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06 Sep 2007, 12:28 pm

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As for why I spoke about this here, I just had to get it off my back. This is the haven, that is why this place is here after all.


Get if off your back?

You were threatening to kill yourself. :?

And you've been given good advice, by me and by others.

I suggest you take it.

Women and their attitudes are not the problem here; you are mentally ill, and you need professional help.


Look, rather I'm "ill" or not is debatable, but I have offered proof that I have been wronged, as well as many other people in my situation (male and female, but mostly males), but instead of actually acknowledging this, you stick your fingers in your ears and go "lalalalalalalalala".

As I said, rather I am in some reguards "ill" or not is debatable, but I was pushed to this point, I've offered you evidence and you ignore it because it doesn't fit your set-in-stone point of view, and that is very ignorant. And many disability rights activists around the world would agree with me, as they have made waves in europe and around the world but are being marginalized and largely ignored here in the US.
You know, just to paraphrase, white slave owners thought blacks and native americans were "pathetic" and "Whiney" for wanting to be equals, for wanting their freedom, after the slave owners had escaped from Europe for their own freedom, and went on to fight a war against the brittish for that freedom. Freedom, like love/lust, are not something that you can't physically live without, but you can't deny your life would be totally miserable without them.
yeah, when they made the native americans live homeless? Did you know that many whites felt pity for them and gave them blankets riddled with small pox, and were shocked at the Natives' protest? Does any of that hit close to home? It probably doesn't for you, but it damn sure does for me.
History repeats itself because people are too ignorant to catch it. Disabilities have the longest history or oppression, forced sterilizations, marginalization, exclusion, and systematic stigmatization of demonization, institutionlization. For many years progress for those of us with disorders fighting the eternal stigma have been slow to make progress as we were scattered few and far between, but in modern times we are coming together and voicing our opinions more and more. Ask New Yorkers.
Your not better than me because "you've got the skills" or because you conform. It's this attitude among common society that makes me realise, as I said, if I were going crazy, it was pushed, but society is just sociopathic. So why don't you get proffessional help? Oh yeah that's right, why would you go to another sociopath for mental help and learning not to be a sociopath?


Okay, Snake...

You've been wronged.

There, I said what you wanted to hear. Does that solve all your problems?



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06 Sep 2007, 12:31 pm

If it is a wife that you desire, then I heard this program on the radio this morning:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=14204638

Marriage brokering is getting to be a big business in Viet Nam. Apparently most of the grooms are lonely men from South Korea or Taiwan.

Some of the women get less than they hard bargained for, but I think that most of the marriages are successful.



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06 Sep 2007, 12:39 pm

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If it is a wife that you desire, then I heard this program on the radio this morning:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=14204638

Marriage brokering is getting to be a big business in Viet Nam. Apparently most of the grooms are lonely men from South Korea or Taiwan.

Some of the women get less than they hard bargained for, but I think that most of the marriages are successful.


This is just my opinion, but I don't think that is very helpful. :?



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06 Sep 2007, 12:52 pm

some people here seem to assume that we all have this button we can just push at will that will get us the social skills we need to find someone. here's news for you: that you can do it doesn't mean everyone else can. it's like telling someone in a wheelchair to just get up and walk. if other people run marathons, why can't he get up and walk?
also, there are other circumstances that may interfere. for example, where i live single women just don't seem to exist. i know men here my age with vastly better social skills than mine that have been single for over a year, and i know a rather unattractive girl that, 2 days after being dumped, had found herself someone with the exact type of looks she prefers. so you guess what the ratio of single men to single women is here.


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06 Sep 2007, 1:00 pm

Snake: You are going to have to learn something that I learned a long time ago; the world does not stop for you.

No matter how much pain you are in, it would be unrealistic to expect every single person on the planet to fall to their knees and weep on your behalf; or to give you exactly what you want. Not out of callousness, nor cruelty; but simply because everyone in the world is cursed with their own set of problems. We are all fighting our own, personal demons, and we can't always bend over backwards to help other people win their battles.

The best you can hope for is to have a set of friends or caring strangers to help you on your way.

The rest is up to you.



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06 Sep 2007, 1:19 pm

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This is just my opinion, but I don't think that is very helpful. :?


Well, that's up to him. It is just another option.

The alternative, overcoming enough of his problems to find a girl in his neighborhood, may be tougher.

I mean, if you meet a girl who is like you: extremely depressed, suicidal, mad at all males, engaging in somewhat reckless sexual and drug behavior, are you going to follow up with her, or just run away?

First, have an image in your mind of the girl you want, and what her qualities are. Then, think about what sort of qualities she might want in a man. Then, see if you can cultivate and advertise these qualities in yourself.

Even if he went to a marriage broker overseas, being with someone who is severely depressed can be depressing. You might want to see if you can get your depression treated.



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06 Sep 2007, 2:44 pm

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Snake: You are going to have to learn something that I learned a long time ago; the world does not stop for you.

No matter how much pain you are in, it would be unrealistic to expect every single person on the planet to fall to their knees and weep on your behalf; or to give you exactly what you want. Not out of callousness, nor cruelty; but simply because everyone in the world is cursed with their own set of problems. We are all fighting our own, personal demons, and we can't always bend over backwards to help other people win their battles.

The best you can hope for is to have a set of friends or caring strangers to help you on your way.

The rest is up to you.


Ok, well I'm sure white slave owners told the black slaves "the world don't stop for you". I'm certain the brittish told the american colonists "the world don't stop for you".
What I'm hearing is that you are an ableist, you don't like people with disabilities or what you consider disabilities. You can tolerate us as long as we shut up and accept our spot on the pecking order.



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06 Sep 2007, 3:24 pm

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Snake: You are going to have to learn something that I learned a long time ago; the world does not stop for you.

No matter how much pain you are in, it would be unrealistic to expect every single person on the planet to fall to their knees and weep on your behalf; or to give you exactly what you want. Not out of callousness, nor cruelty; but simply because everyone in the world is cursed with their own set of problems. We are all fighting our own, personal demons, and we can't always bend over backwards to help other people win their battles.

The best you can hope for is to have a set of friends or caring strangers to help you on your way.

The rest is up to you.


Ok, well I'm sure white slave owners told the black slaves "the world don't stop for you". I'm certain the brittish told the american colonists "the world don't stop for you".
What I'm hearing is that you are an ableist, you don't like people with disabilities or what you consider disabilities. You can tolerate us as long as we shut up and accept our spot on the pecking order.


Snake, the world doesn't stop for anyone, black or white, disabled or not.

We all have to make our own way. No, not just you, and not just Aspies, everyone in the world.

Whoever you are, if you want something, you have to fight for it. And, for some people, the battles are harder. It's not fair, but it is true and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

And I do have problems of my own, you ignorant twit. By most people's standards, I am disabled. I just don't go around moaning about it, i.e. by making distressing posts in forums informing people that I will kill myself on my next birthday.

Edit: You still haven't answered my question...How do you want to be helped? What do you want us to do?



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06 Sep 2007, 3:53 pm

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Edit: You still haven't answered my question...How do you want to be helped? What do you want us to do?


I assume a state funded program of sex surrogates.



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06 Sep 2007, 4:04 pm

I don't need people here to do anything, I was just hoping you could be understanding at least to some degree of my situation. I mean this is the haven, this is the place to rant and let it out is it not?



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06 Sep 2007, 4:06 pm

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Edit: You still haven't answered my question...How do you want to be helped? What do you want us to do?


I assume a state funded program of sex surrogates.


That's what the government needs to do, but I'm not able to convince them of that.... Liberals are pro sexual rights of every other group out there, but they blatantly deny the disabled people our sexual rights. In fact they do more to push the stigma of disability. Did you see the minstrel show on the democratic primary? That was utter filth.



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06 Sep 2007, 4:12 pm

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I don't need people here to do anything, I was just hoping you could be understanding at least to some degree of my situation. I mean this is the haven, this is the place to rant and let it out is it not?


Fair enough, I suppose.

So, I take it the suicide attempt is off, then?



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06 Sep 2007, 4:16 pm

Well that's kinda hard to say for certain atm, I might do it or I might not. I'm not that depressed right now, but I know I'll keep going through up periods and down periods, and the down periods usually outweigh the up periods.