I've been offered the COVID vaccine

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29 May 2021, 2:44 pm

I’ve only just skimmed the thread, but I need to say two things about this whole topic. My wife and I are in general disagreement on whether one should get the vaccine. I got the vaccine because we live in a unique time and I just wanted to crash the party. I just wanted to see what would happen, see what it was like. I learned as much as I could from my tinfoil hat wearing friends and from the CDC. I concluded that nothing bad long term could come of this and proceeded to satisfy my own morbid curiosity.

The shots made me feel extremely ill, this first one more so than the second, and the effects came on fast after I took the shot. I got Moderna arm and everything. The flu symptoms went away after about three days.

Not everyone responded as badly as I did, but I knew that illness could be expected from having the shot. I was prepared for that. So the first thing I can say about the shot is prepare yourself for nasty side effects—you may not have any at all, but you might just as I did. Keep Tylenol or Advil handy. Either of those will help manage your headache and fever should you have them. As long as you can manage that every few hours, you’ll function otherwise normally and the side effects won’t ruin your day.

Now the second thing I want to tell you: It is YOUR CHOICE whether to have the vaccine or not. My wife was angry with me for getting it. Her reasoning is that there is so much conflicting information out there she can’t make a properly informed decision to get it. And she’s right...this has become such a hot, political issue in the US that you’re crazy if you don’t get it, but you’re being controlled by the government if you DO get it. Or vaccines take so long to develop, why trust the fast-tracked one? There are conspiracy nuts out there who panic over everything anyway, but the government isn’t all that trustworthy, anyway. So I thought it was interesting that the vaccine ingredients are listed in the literature, I don’t think the CDC is hiding anything in THIS case, and I don’t think Big Pharma really has anything to gain from killing us all. So despite our disagreement, I made up my OWN mind. And she made up HER own mind. And she got angry with me and I ignored her. I refuse to be pressured into or out of this decision, and I’m not going to start a fight with her, either. YOU decide.

If it’s fear that’s keeping you away from it, I can tell you right off it won’t hurt you. You might feel sick for a couple of days, but it’s manageable. But, as I said, YOU decide. Don’t let someone make the decision for you. I’m honestly more worried about COVID passports and other restrictions from the government. Guess what else I’m against? Government mandates for drivers wearing seatbelts, mandatory auto insurance, and anything else that restricts freedom and concerns nobody else besides the individual. I CHOOSE to do certain things because it benefits me to do them, and I had good reason to get the vaccine. When you HAVE to get it, that’s when you should worry. Your body, your choice, right?

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29 May 2021, 2:49 pm

1000 cases a day of COVID in Queens in March.

Less than 100 cases a day in Queens in late May.

Many more people getting the vaccine.

This is not about “rights.” Its about public health.

If we had this nonsense in the time of the polio vaccine, we’d still have people in iron lungs.

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29 May 2021, 2:49 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

I agree about smoking, by the way.

This doesn’t mean getting the vaccine wouldn’t be an excellent public health measure.

I got the vaccine. I am an older man. I have asymptomatic prostate cancer. I had very little side effects from the vaccine. I don’t know anybody who got even had symptoms enough to take off work.

I do. A lot of people I know got unwell for at least a day after having the jab, some even longer, and these people aren't normally the sort to have time off work. They experienced flu symptoms such as body aches, weakness and even fever. My aunt got a lump come up under the same arm she had the vaccine in and she thought it was breast cancer, but it turned out it was fluid built up or something from the vaccine. Another person I know experienced numbness and pain in her arm and dizziness. The only people I know that didn't seem to get any side effects were elderly and people with health conditions. My mum has cancer and is on chemo and she didn't get side effects from the vaccine. My boyfriend has COPD and diabetes and didn't get side effects. All my grandparents didn't get any side effects. But younger people, in their 30s, 40s and 50s seemed to be hit the worst with side effects. One person got side effects for four days.

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29 May 2021, 3:12 pm

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I have nothing against people getting the vaccine. But what I choose to put into my body is my choice and I don't think people should feel threatened into having the vaccine by bringing out "vaccine passports" that they keep talking about.
Wearing seatbelts when driving doesn't feel as restrictive as not being allowed to eat in a restaurant if you haven't had the COVID jab. You're still driving a car whether you have a seatbelt or not, and it's easier to get used to. Being unwelcome in places is a huge change and is a disruption and a restriction to your life.

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29 May 2021, 3:38 pm

Vaccines are the ONLY way out of this mess.

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29 May 2021, 4:07 pm

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That's a terrific post. You have my full respect, thank you for your contribution.

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29 May 2021, 4:13 pm

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Vaccines are the ONLY way out of this mess.

Or the virus runs its course, same as any virus. COVID is one of a few viruses behind the common cold. I’m prone to severe colds all the time and believe I’ve likely already had COVID-19. Rhinovirus and RSV are other viruses responsible, and all three have overlapping symptoms. The recovery rate for those who have tested positive for COVID-19 is quite high. By the time the world decides to move on from this, I believe there won’t be a single person left who hasn’t gotten infected by COVID-19 or some variant.

Smallpox, polio, and bacterial infections such as TB and plague have more severe consequences than COVID. We’ve either adapted or survived much worse things in the past, and we’ll even more easily outlast this one.

A yearly compound vaccine for rhinovirus, rsv, and new COVID strains along with flu would be nice, though. My bouts of cold and flu are much less severe than in the past, but almost completely eradicating them would be awesome. There are alternatives, though, and people have lived through much, much worse. You shouldn’t have to get a vaccine if you don’t want it.

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29 May 2021, 4:16 pm

ADHD undiagnosed so find whole thread impossible to read, no insult, I was offered jab, no thanks.

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29 May 2021, 4:19 pm

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Being a Communist has nothing to do with vaccines being efficacious against COVID.

That wasn't the point being made. The OP has moved the discussion on to the prospect of prolonged UK restrictions, which - as she suggested - does have something to do with communism in as much as an advisor to the government is a communist. Also, the left in general (which is much more closely aligned with communism here than in the United States, or at least ir was until last year) are cheering lockdowns on and do not want them to end. Most of them work in the public sector and feel their jobs are safe.

They're a scientific adviser, not a political one. .

No. The communist advising the government is not a scientist. She is a psychologist and she will be advising them how to manipulate the behaviour of people as a mass, not as individuals but as a collective that can be coerced into doing what the government wants them to do. If you don't see a connection between that and her world view as a communist, then you don't see it. It's not something I want to derail the thread over, so I'll leave it at that.

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29 May 2021, 4:30 pm

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ADHD undiagnosed so find whole thread impossible to read, no insult, I was offered jab, no thanks.

You can spend weeks and months trying to make sense of what's going on and still be none the wiser for it.
It all comes down a simple choice of yes or no and we won't know which was the sensible option for quite some time I suspect.

Gut instinct is probably the best way to go, then you've only got yourself to blame or to thank in the end.

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29 May 2021, 5:05 pm

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Gut instinct is probably the best way to go, then you've only got yourself to blame or to thank in the end.

This is true. Although having COVID has more chance of making one ill than the vaccine does, something is still telling me not to have the vaccine until it's existed long enough to be proven safe enough to trust. Maybe I'll have it done by November or December if everything goes well. Otherwise I don't have anything against other people having the vaccines. If you feel the vaccine is best then go and get it done. If you feel worried or unsure or too many things are making you skeptical then don't have it or at least wait a few more months until you feel ready. I don't think anyone should be forced or shamed into having it done.

COVID is one of those viruses that people are going to build immunity to eventually, even with varients, just like flu. If COVID was one of those diseases where like the vast majority of people of any age that caught it had a death sentence and too many people were dying for the survivors to possibly become immune to it then maybe I might have the vaccine.

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29 May 2021, 5:09 pm

We're the same age group 30-31 I had my letter today

Not taking it personally. If anyone has taken it or will be, then i hope you'll all be ok.

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29 May 2021, 5:20 pm

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Gut instinct is probably the best way to go, then you've only got yourself to blame or to thank in the end.

Agreed. It’s really a crap shoot, and odds are in your favor if you get the virus it won’t kill you. Get the vaccine and you have a few months worth of immunity and there’s not even the chance that the virus will kill you. Well...no matter what, you can choose paranoia or be worried sick about it, or find peace of mind either in the vaccine or just letting it pass. Keep calm and carry on.

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29 May 2021, 5:37 pm

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This is not a new concept. Many countries have had proof of vaccination requirements to travel to them for decades. No vaccine? Ok cool. No entry.

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29 May 2021, 5:39 pm

lostproperty wrote:

goldfish21 wrote:

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kraftiekortie wrote:

Being a Communist has nothing to do with vaccines being efficacious against COVID.

They're a scientific adviser, not a political one. .

Advising governments how to get groups of ppl to do something, like follow public health orders during a pandemic, or learn an ounce of science and get vaccinated instead of being manipulated by internet conspiracy theories, is completely independent from advising them on how to get the masses to agree with the scientists personal political leanings.

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29 May 2021, 7:01 pm

I think it's a paradox really, and the way humans think irrationally.

The COVID virus is more likely to cause harm from the vaccine, yet one person dies from the vaccine and people are more scared of the vaccines than they are of the virus.

If the MMR vaccine caused autism people would rather choose their child to die from a disease over being autistic.

Most smokers are more afraid of quitting because of the withdrawal effects, than they are of getting cancer by continuing to smoke.

And there are more examples too.

It might be an interesting piece of human psychology. Perhaps it stems from our ancestors or that it's natural to choose death from natural causes rather than 'artificial' substances. I don't know. It's just a guess. The better possible outcome can actually seem more frightening to a human than the worst possible outcome. And it seems to be the case among some people with these COVID vaccines.

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