I feel like a terrible person and a disgrace to WP. Goodbye
Actually there's a thread where 30-40 WP members encouraged and applauded salad for taking the initiative with his life.
Ya..

There are definitely ppl here who not only applaud others for taking personal responsibility & taking action to improve things in their lives, but also do those things ourselves. I've been rather outspoken about it here for the last ~9 years.

His other threads where he expresses his views and shares his approach are pretty much ignored. E.g, "Hard Intense Training Is The Best Cure For A Lot Of Problems" - there are couple dismissive comments, one saying such recommendation given to depressed people is "insulting harassment". There is only one other person who really supports him there.
I don't really see any evidence of universal support and encouragement of his mindset here. Nowhere near 30-40 WP members sharing his mindset, approach and values.
Are you suggesting that he's wrong?

Diet, exercise, sunlight, water, sleep.. are in fact all the best cures for a lot of problems.
You don't like that he's persistent and consistent in his messaging, that physical exercise is good for the body, mind, mood, soul & more. That doesn't make him incorrect just because you don't like it.
Quite the opposite, I share his views and don't see any support here, only personal attacks and dismissive remarks.
You didn't even bother to take a look at that thread or leave comment there. It says a lot of how much actual support his views have here.
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I agree with Goldfish. You've taken the first step, and you know you're safe enough here to take a few more.
I'm scared too. Obviously my reasons aren't the same, but I have complex Trauma which farks me up and kind of controls my life. This place has been my haven through my ups and downs, my trials and errors. I hope it can be yours too. Getting it out, getting it on paper, putting your thoughts in sequence and reflecting on them .... it's all therapeutic. You're blessed to be friends with April, and many others sincerely want you around as well.
You're welcome to play a word game or joke around with me any time you want something light and silly. It takes some getting used to but it can be fun and ease the burden of a bad day.
Goldfish was right, getting all of this out was therapeutic. And it helps to have people here like you to support me during this breakdown since im hiding all of this from. my fiancee because I dont want to worry her. I want her to see me as the strong support that she can rely on, and that is why ive been hiding everything im going through from her for her sake
It takes immense courage to share what you've shared with me and I thank you for trusting me and being open with me since it gives me inspiration to push forward given your strength, and it also shows me that im not alone. so thank you
I dont honestly know how to joke or have fun. I try to but I dont. this trip with my fiancee so far was my 1st attempt at light talk and being fun and while I did alright, I felt like I was a nervous wreck trying hard to be fun to talk with even though im unsure what to say. ive taken it upon myself to force myself to watch American TV shows to teach me the finer arts of small talk and playful humor, and so far im still learning this esoteric art that im struggling to master. Maybe the kind and pleasant people here on this forum can teach me how to talk and not be a misfit
Did someone say "playful humour"?


Criticizing one for being happy IS like someone criticizing someone on a cancer forum for being in remission.
You’re better than you think you are, Dragon!
The problem, for some people, seems to be the implied dismissiveness of the struggle that person is going through.
Some people are at a place where they can't see the forest for the trees.

If it is their thread, it would be polite to focus on them and be aware of their needs.

Just my opinion, but hey, I am Pepe.

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Not that it probably matters, but I have not popped into that thread because it is not something I have tried nor done that much research on, so I figured I was too ignorant to really say anything about it. But I have thought about it and come to the conclusion that it would be a good thing to try. And only if I have solid evidence and/or reasoning to support my position will I attempt to enter a debate or anything. Probably one of those times where my lack of outward display of something may lead to the assumption that I don’t feel/think it, or something along those lines But I am not the majority and quite deliberately never claim to speak for anyone but myself - and therefore what I actually feel/think is probably irrelevant here.
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I am well aware that WP can have a positive and/or negative effect, and the person who would have the best idea about which is stronger for them is that person, and I strongly suggest people, including salad, to do what they think is best for them. I will note, too, that it seems to me like taking a break would be a good trial run if one is debating. It can be as long or short as you want it to be, and if you find that you underestimated the positive, you don’t have to feel so awkward or anything about returning, but if you find that it is better, you don’t have to return any more than to let the people who would worry know that you’ve found that it’s better if you stay off WP and are making the “break” permanent (well, you don’t actually have to even do that, but it’s considerate).
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It doesn't make sense to me that somebody would be upset about that.
If one is not able to express enthusiasm for life, life becomes very grim, indeed.
There's nothing wrong with expressing happiness or sharing it. There is something wrong with a person who feels the need to point out other people on a public forum when its none of their business.
All I said....is that the OP is not wrong for expressing his enthusiasm for what happened to him. I feel like it's a travesty that he is sad because somebody objected to him expressing this enthusiasm.
If somebody good happens to me, and I feel like sharing it, I will share it.
Yes, I like the analogy that Dragon presented. It was an excellent analogy. If somebody doesn't like it, that's their problem.
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Criticizing one for being happy IS like someone criticizing someone on a cancer forum for being in remission.
You’re better than you think you are, Dragon!
The problem, for some people, seems to be the implied dismissiveness of the struggle that person is going through.
Some people are at a place where they can't see the forest for the trees.

If it is their thread, it would be polite to focus on them and be aware of their needs.

Just my opinion, but hey, I am Pepe.

That is exactly what I’ve been trying to get at, but don’t know that I got across clearly. I’ll use my previous analogy here. If someone on a cancer forum starts a thread in which they mention that they have a likely-to-be-fatal cancer, it would be mean of me to go in and say “Well, I have Hodgkin’s lymphoma, I’m practically guaranteed recovery,” but I don’t think it would be untoward for me to start a thread saying that my six-month PET scan came back clear and how relieved I was to be officially in remission (I saw lots of such threads in the lymphoma forum I briefly visited, including some where people were worried about symptoms but all of their tests came back clear and they never even had any cancer at all). I guess that illustrates the difference between flaunting or not. Though not everything would necessarily be so clear-set.
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It messes you up is the short and long answer. It really messes you up. It causes you immense hatred and scorching rage towards those who ruined your life and fills you with obsessions of vengeance that consume you. I was strong enough to overcome that hatred from consuming me and making me hate all Jews only because I never could bring myself to hate an entire group because of the actions of a few bad apples when I knew how that felt like growing up in America post-9/11. However not everyone has that strength. Many of us who were victims of war react in different ways; some of the more enlightened among us use their shared suffering and pain to develop empathy with others since they realize what suffering and loss feel like and thus are able to connect better with others through shared suffering; others become more religious as a way to cope and even become more fundamentalist in their belief system under the belief that all of it is a test to purify one of sins and go to paradise; the saddest cases, and ive met some from this group, are those who are so broken by the war that their is no hope for living a decent life, they're suffering mental illness that is unfathomable especially when one of the byproducts of war is that healthcare infrastructure is depleted and destroyed so the requisite resources to address said pain are lacking, creating a feedback loop of hell and pain until joining a terrorist organization and becoming a suicide bomber is the only solace a person can have believing when they die they go straight to paradise blissfully
Some people become better people as a result of war, while others are driven by unbearable hatred for the other side and want to wreak as much as destruction as possible before going out to unleash that ball of hatred brewing inside. regardless which path survivors of war choose, benevolent enlightenment gained from the wisdom of suffering, or destructive hatred fueled by the pain war wrought, war is one of those things that never leaves one's psyche and forever follows someone even until death
the scars of war loom over its victims and can never be forgotten by those who've experienced it. for myself I regularly, even while having fun, see images of the carnage I witnessed in Palestine, and to this day certain innocent things like playing soccer I cant do because of memories of tanks rolling up in soccer fields while I was in Palestine. there's a reason why throughout my whole life in school I was given accommodations to not partake in soccer in gym class, and except for very few exceptions to this day I can never play or even watch soccer because of the bad memories associated with it
that's heavy, hope I don't have to go through that
It doesn't make sense to me that somebody would be upset about that.
If one is not able to express enthusiasm for life, life becomes very grim, indeed.
Once again, this is The Haven and the focus is on the OP unless the OP states differently.

Criticizing one for being happy IS like someone criticizing someone on a cancer forum for being in remission.
You’re better than you think you are, Dragon!
The problem, for some people, seems to be the implied dismissiveness of the struggle that person is going through.
Some people are at a place where they can't see the forest for the trees.

If it is their thread, it would be polite to focus on them and be aware of their needs.

Just my opinion, but hey, I am Pepe.

That is exactly what I’ve been trying to get at, but don’t know that I got across clearly. I’ll use my previous analogy here. If someone on a cancer forum starts a thread in which they mention that they have a likely-to-be-fatal cancer, it would be mean of me to go in and say “Well, I have Hodgkin’s lymphoma, I’m practically guaranteed recovery,” but I don’t think it would be untoward for me to start a thread saying that my six-month PET scan came back clear and how relieved I was to be officially in remission (I saw lots of such threads in the lymphoma forum I briefly visited, including some where people were worried about symptoms but all of their tests came back clear and they never even had any cancer at all). I guess that illustrates the difference between flaunting or not. Though not everything would necessarily be so clear-set.
Having a positive experience can be supportive if the person has gone thru the same experience, but it can't be apples and oranges.
What I don't find helpful is when someone makes a general statement that "If I can do it, anyone can."
I had a colon cancer scare a couple of years ago, through the testing kit. It helped me when a friend said she had a colonoscopy without a problem, and the worse part was drinking the cleansing salts, which it was.

The first scare was highly stressful, and it helped me to talk to someone who went through the same thing.
There IS no collective mindset of this forum. None whatsoever. That's ridiculous.
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