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That’s what I was concerned about. If we didn’t say anything, people might be more inclined to believe that whatever was said was true. I know from experience that false rumors on forums can cause a lot of problems, including covert bullying.

It’s also very triggering for people not to be allowed to stand up for themselves or others. I’m no longer that person. If I think that a mod is not going to be on for awhile and I am attacked, I am going to respond. That’s not going to change. Silencing victims isn’t cool, and it shouldn’t be demanded on WP. Some of us have taken a long time to get to this point.

The mod message might encourage other former members to come back. If they think they can start s**t and say whatever with no pushback for hours, maybe they will.

^ agree with this and TP's post.

I understand being frustrated at the ranting thread going off-topic and cleaning up a mess, but snarking is unnecessary. I also agree there should probably be new mods if the current ones are inactive. TP was attacked, I think she should have a right to defend herself.

The problem with picking mods on this forum is that there are certain members that, whilst intellectually capable of modding, likely cannot be relied on to be impartial because of, amongst other things, having personal grudges against certain members and/or being part of a clique.

Cliques are an issue on this forum, there is no doubt, and if a person doesn't think there is an issue in regard, it's probably because they are part of a clique.

I think also the fact that WP has a limited number of active members, it makes it a bit harder to select who could be a mod.

We have plenty of people who join that end up never coming back after making a "welcome!" post.

Yeah, that's an issue too.

It's not like the forum has a huge, active membership or anything.

I don’t think choosing mods would pose significant problems for CF. There are a couple people I can think of who would be excellent mods. It might not be entirely up to him.

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I don't care about clique me

As far as I'm concerned everyone's a singular

I don't look into it any deeper than that

Although I'm not completely stupid

I think there does exist some level of cliquishness on the forum. It's often clear who is or isn't a part of certain groups of friends or acquaintances on the forum.

I am not necessarily saying that there is anything malicious about the cliques, but in my opinion anyway there are certain pockets of people who seem to sit at the same figurative table, so to speak.

It's a lot like real life.

Yeah, I have noticed you don't seem to be part of any clique, bb.

Apart from being in a clique with me, obviously.

I don’t think I’ve truly seen “cliques” although banned members enjoy talking about them as a way to discredit those who disagree with their bigotry. Some members might have more in common with other members, share similar opinions, worldviews, or politics, or even become friends (or more), but that doesn’t mean that they are necessarily in a clique. I’ve had disagreements with people who are in my supposed clique. My opinion is always my own.

I might tend to have less in common with some members than others, but it doesn’t mean we can’t agree about some things, joke around, or enjoy chitchatting like anyone else.

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I will be texting her about this once I’m rested and can think

That sounds reasonable.

Like others have said, I think the idea of cliques is usually raised by people who don't like that a handful of people are in agreement over disagreeing with them.

Especially because, if one pays attention the people who get lumped together as a clique tend to disagree pretty aggressively on other issues. It's less of a clique and more a matter of having aligned views on a handful of issues.

But also, if someone was made a mod and demonstrated obvious bias they could be made no-longer-a-mod or worse for abusing power. I would expect that to be clearly communicated to anyone who's being given that power. Beyond that, if there's a mod who's assumed to be biased, odds are they'll face scrutiny from posters meaning demonstrations of bias should end up being noticed.

I think it is important not to dismiss the possibility of there existing a clique or cliques, simply because someone or some people who are banned, are of that opinion.

Being banned doesn't discount everything someone says or invalidate anything they may say.

I know you didn't say that but I think some people probably don't appreciate the nuance of what is or might be accurate, based on who has or has not broken the forum rules.

In regards to members who might be mods, I think you make some good points there. I suppose if they weren't good at modding, it would soon become apparent...

The members who are most often considered to be part of a clique by others, typically by banned members, are fully aware that they are not. Those members, if we are thinking of the same people, are more than capable of appreciating nuance. Apart from those members, I suppose there could be other cliques, but it’s not like WP has a particularly big user base at this point.

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I wouldn't dismiss it based on who's said it. I'd dismiss it based on a lack of evidence.

After dismissing it, I would seek an alternate explanation, which is that there was a group of people (who wouldn't like being called a clique) who identified the people they often disagreed with as a clique with zero evidence outside of those people often voicing disagreement with them.

When that labelling started I had very little interaction with either TP or Izzy and they had only started talking because a former poster had been manipulating them.

If I'm not mistaken, that former poster is where the meme of a clique being out to get some people originated, but it eventually became a favoured talking point among a number of now former posters because it was easier to blame a shadowy cabal than consider maybe they were just being a**holes.