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12 Feb 2012, 6:07 pm

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Thanks Hyperlexian. This thread has been bothering me. I think you stated things well.

thank you, and you're welcome.


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12 Feb 2012, 7:10 pm

I just don't see how suicide is anything other than selfish. You are killing yourself because of YOUR problems. It's completely 100% selfish. YOUR life isn't going the way YOU want it so YOU are going to kill YOURSELF..


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12 Feb 2012, 7:12 pm

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I just don't see how suicide is anything other than selfish. You are killing yourself because of YOUR problems. It's completely 100% selfish. YOUR life isn't going the way YOU want it so YOU are going to kill YOURSELF..

if a person feels like a burden on family or society, he or she may feel like suicide is doing them a favour by lightening the load.


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12 Feb 2012, 7:24 pm

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I just don't see how suicide is anything other than selfish. You are killing yourself because of YOUR problems. It's completely 100% selfish. YOUR life isn't going the way YOU want it so YOU are going to kill YOURSELF..

As said before though - calling suicide selfish is vacuous unless there's someone who's being harmed significantly more than you're being relieved. Its like calling a successful entrepreneur greedy for their success; sure, if they're sheisting their employees on pay or are stingy with people close to them it makes sense, if you call them greedy just for being successful though - its kind of off point.


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12 Feb 2012, 7:35 pm

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I just don't see how suicide is anything other than selfish. You are killing yourself because of YOUR problems. It's completely 100% selfish. YOUR life isn't going the way YOU want it so YOU are going to kill YOURSELF..

By that definition, eating lunch because you are hungry is "selfish." By that definition 99.9% of what people do is "selfish." It seems like a cheap word that people to throw around that doesn't actually mean anything.



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12 Feb 2012, 7:54 pm

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I just don't see how suicide is anything other than selfish. You are killing yourself because of YOUR problems. It's completely 100% selfish. YOUR life isn't going the way YOU want it so YOU are going to kill YOURSELF..

By that definition, eating lunch because you are hungry is "selfish." By that definition 99.9% of what people do is "selfish." It seems like a cheap word that people to throw around that doesn't actually mean anything.

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Think you said it a lot clearer than I was able to.


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12 Feb 2012, 8:28 pm

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Xerillius wrote:
I just don't see how suicide is anything other than selfish. You are killing yourself because of YOUR problems. It's completely 100% selfish. YOUR life isn't going the way YOU want it so YOU are going to kill YOURSELF..

By that definition, eating lunch because you are hungry is "selfish." By that definition 99.9% of what people do is "selfish." It seems like a cheap word that people to throw around that doesn't actually mean anything.


Anything you do for yourself is selfish.

self·ish/ˈselfiSH/
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(of a person, action, or motive) Lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.

Anything you do for others is selfless..


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12 Feb 2012, 9:21 pm

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Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
Xerillius wrote:
I just don't see how suicide is anything other than selfish. You are killing yourself because of YOUR problems. It's completely 100% selfish. YOUR life isn't going the way YOU want it so YOU are going to kill YOURSELF..

By that definition, eating lunch because you are hungry is "selfish." By that definition 99.9% of what people do is "selfish." It seems like a cheap word that people to throw around that doesn't actually mean anything.


Anything you do for yourself is selfish.

self·ish/ˈselfiSH/
Adjective:
(of a person, action, or motive) Lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.

Anything you do for others is selfless..

right, which is why suicide can be viewed as selfless by a suicidal person.


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12 Feb 2012, 9:29 pm

Xerillius wrote:
Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
Xerillius wrote:
I just don't see how suicide is anything other than selfish. You are killing yourself because of YOUR problems. It's completely 100% selfish. YOUR life isn't going the way YOU want it so YOU are going to kill YOURSELF..

By that definition, eating lunch because you are hungry is "selfish." By that definition 99.9% of what people do is "selfish." It seems like a cheap word that people to throw around that doesn't actually mean anything.


Anything you do for yourself is selfish.

self·ish/ˈselfiSH/
Adjective:
(of a person, action, or motive) Lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.

Anything you do for others is selfless..

But which means that 'selfishness' as a derision means nothing.


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12 Feb 2012, 9:58 pm

Xerillius wrote:
Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
Xerillius wrote:
I just don't see how suicide is anything other than selfish. You are killing yourself because of YOUR problems. It's completely 100% selfish. YOUR life isn't going the way YOU want it so YOU are going to kill YOURSELF..

By that definition, eating lunch because you are hungry is "selfish." By that definition 99.9% of what people do is "selfish." It seems like a cheap word that people to throw around that doesn't actually mean anything.


Anything you do for yourself is selfish.

self·ish/ˈselfiSH/
Adjective:
(of a person, action, or motive) Lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.

Anything you do for others is selfless..


You just invalidated your own argument.


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13 Feb 2012, 12:47 pm

Umm okay this thread caught my eye, I feel depressed right now I am 18 Have I thought about killing myself.... regretablly yes. HOWEVER I have had two friends kill themselves already. It isn't worth it. Plus you believe in an afterlife, you do realize that killing yourself in every religion is bad and you go to the unholy unhappy place making death far worse than your life was, plus your thirty dude chill you have more time, my cousin and brother are in their thirties they still haven't found their true love, hell it took my mom into her late 30s to find my dad. and NOTHING can help ease your family into you killing yourself your not like 89 with a terminal illness you are a 30 year old in Sweden. I have had SEVER bouts of depression and I am going through my worst right now I am an 18 year old who feels like I have no hope for the future and no hope in getting a job or anything. I feel like a burden on my family because I can't get a job I am out of high school and feel so needy that I feel guilty. I would never kill myself not only because of religious believes but i feel it would be selfish my family depends on me to help them out when they need it. Everyone has someone who cares about them judging by the posts on this there are many here who care about you. DON'T DO IT!! !! !! !! !!


Also for those talking about selfishness vs selfless you are talking about LIFE IDC if you are a single bacholar with no family left killing yourself is SELFISH, stop thinking about the definition it should not apply when talking about life, Life is a gift even though we may not think it is. There are people who care I CARE I HAVE HAD 2 FRIENDS KILL THEMSELVES. I hate it I hate everything about it. It kills me to see people who feel so unloved and uncared about that they kill themselves. JUST PLS DON"T DO IT!! !! !!



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13 Feb 2012, 12:55 pm

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Umm okay this thread caught my eye, I feel depressed right now I am 18 Have I thought about killing myself.... regretablly yes. HOWEVER I have had two friends kill themselves already. It isn't worth it. Plus you believe in an afterlife, you do realize that killing yourself in every religion is bad and you go to the unholy unhappy place making death far worse than your life was, plus your thirty dude chill you have more time, my cousin and brother are in their thirties they still haven't found their true love, hell it took my mom into her late 30s to find my dad. and NOTHING can help ease your family into you killing yourself your not like 89 with a terminal illness you are a 30 year old in Sweden. I have had SEVER bouts of depression and I am going through my worst right now I am an 18 year old who feels like I have no hope for the future and no hope in getting a job or anything. I feel like a burden on my family because I can't get a job I am out of high school and feel so needy that I feel guilty. I would never kill myself not only because of religious believes but i feel it would be selfish my family depends on me to help them out when they need it. Everyone has someone who cares about them judging by the posts on this there are many here who care about you. DON'T DO IT!! !! !! !! !!


If that's what helps......I find fear of eternal punishment to be quite useless when trying to think of reasons why I shouldn't resort to suicide. But I am glad just the same you wouldn't resort to suicide and have found what works for you.


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13 Feb 2012, 1:11 pm

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Also for those talking about selfishness vs selfless you are talking about LIFE IDC if you are a single bacholar with no family left killing yourself is SELFISH, stop thinking about the definition it should not apply when talking about life, Life is a gift even though we may not think it is. There are people who care I CARE I HAVE HAD 2 FRIENDS KILL THEMSELVES. I hate it I hate everything about it. It kills me to see people who feel so unloved and uncared about that they kill themselves. JUST PLS DON"T DO IT!! !! !!

see, what you are doing here is an emotional appeal, which may help the OP. but for some suicidal people, what helps instead is a logical argument. the reasons for suicide are varied, and what can help people is also quite varied.

my mother committed suicide in december of 2010, so i also intimately understand the effects of suicide. she attempted suicide at least a dozen times before that so i also know that different approaches helped her at different times.


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13 Feb 2012, 1:17 pm

I don't find Suicide Logical at all so idk how to think about it logically it isn't logical it defies logic, due to the fact that logically people strive to work tward survival and not self destruction, Suicide is an emotional experience for everyone. Logic has nothing to do with it.



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I don't find Suicide Logical at all so idk how to think about it logically it isn't logical it defies logic, due to the fact that logically people strive to work tward survival and not self destruction, Suicide is an emotional experience for everyone. Logic has nothing to do with it.

just because you don't see it that way doesn't mean other people don't. many many people have reached the logical conclusion that suicide is the best possible option for everyone involved.


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13 Feb 2012, 1:23 pm

Sorry btw if I seem very agitated or hostile I don't mean to be I am currently under Emotion Overload and Trying to settle down. I respect your opinion however I can't say that I see your point not because of narrow mindedness just because my brain cannot process suicide. I just really hope that he changes his mind.