Addicted To Suffering.

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Brother Marknis, do you have family living outside of your home state?

Positive thinking would been to not develop iron dome and say it’ll all be ok the rockets probably won’t hit anyone and they wouldn’t keep launching rockets at us right? Mean humans wouldn’t do that to other humans.
Your nation knows from experience how humans are and so use negative thinking to develop things to stop such things rather the. Hoping and thinking it won’t happen. Your nation doesn’t trust the nations around it and that’s negative thinking. Positive thinking would trust the nations around them and take them at their words of peace and not prepare for attacks. People like me do negative thinking so others can live in dream worlds where everything goes right. But everything seldomly goes right. That’s why you have the IDF. That’s why the USA has national guard, FEMA, etc. that why every nation has people who think of and plan for bad situations. I’d been the person escaping the getto cause things can get worse instead of the ones saying it can’t get worse and don’t believe those rumors about death camps and gas chambers.
Quite a few escaped and hid in woods forming resistance groups. A lot of them died too but their negative thinking keep them free longer.

Personally my negative thinking has keep me alive and sheltered. I’ve always kept savings and been prepared. If I’d been positive thinking I’d spend all my money since everything will be alright. How many people have the 2 weeks food supply government recommend? Not many cause nothing will happen it’ll be fine, until a storm hits and it’s not and your positive thinking leaves one with no food and it takes government two weeks to get food and water to you.

I can’t stand overly positive people.
I gues though someone not over positive would be good Match for me I could ground them and they could lift me up.

Also tends to be the positive people who tell me to shut up.

Oh and your nation actively hunted down nazis and brought them to justice where rest of the word just moved on and said oh well.
I’ll always support Israel, though as a Christian I could never live there.

My examples are pretty basic.

Him: I keep losing my glasses
Me and a few others: Get a glasses chain
Him: I can't, I feel confined by a chain.

Okay, I don't know what else to tell you then.

You can list crazy examples like wanting to fly, but the majority of examples presented here are solvable.

But you are successful

Would you jump into a half empty swimming pool? Even if you think really hard it’s half full?

My glass is empty

Telling someone who’s poor on disability, doesn’t own a car and barely making by to move to another state is horrible advice that’s not practical. Well off people have a hard enough time moving to another state without a job and place lined up first.

Telling someone who’s too disabled to work to just get a good job isn’t good advice.

Just pull yourself up from the boot straps they say.

Most wouldn’t live a day in my life without killing them self’s.

A good day in my life is a horrible day in theirs.
It’s be like if bill gates gave you advice” just be rich”

He: I can't fly.
Me: You can just do it if you try.
He: Yeah, but I don’t have wings.
Me: Can you build some?
He: Yeah, but I don't have money.
Me: Can you earn some?
He: Yeah, but I don't have a job.
Me: Can you look for a job?
He: Yeah, but no one will hire me and I don't understand the hiring process including the personality tests.
Me: Can you learn some skills and research the hiring process and the personality tests?
He: I do have skills but employers want in addition to those skills a certain personality type and experience. How do I over come that.
Me: Well maybe you can get some job coaching but in the mean time Can you borrow some wings? Maybe you could try to research these things.
He: Yeah, but I might crash because I don't have any training to use them properly and I don't want to be responsible if I damage someone else's property. It would take money to obtain that training and to obtain money requires employment. I've give you my reason I can't obtain employment. As for job coaching that takes money too. As for researching, I did try to research. The information out there is either scant, I don't follow it so I would need others to explain it further which they won't do or there is a lot of misinformation to sort through. So, we're still at square one. Now what?
Me: Umm, Can you fly low?
He: Ok, that's a really excellent idea. I didn't even think of that. But, only one problem. I still don't have any training and training cost money. And, to get money one has to have a job. And to get a job one has to have skills, personality and experience. And, one has to be able to have the proper social skills even though one is constantly told to be true to oneself. Are you willing to let me borrow yours and are you willing to train me with them?
Me: (shows reluctance) Can you relocate?
He: Yeah, but I would have to fly there.
Me: Have you tried flying?
He (getting frustrated): Yeah, but I can't fly and I already f*****g told you this and I already f*****g gave you my reasoning.

(Several iterations later...)

Me : You don't really need to fly, do you?
He (extremely pissed off and struggling to keep from melting down): That's a bunch of BS and you know it! It isn't that I don't need or desire to fly. It's that you a**hole are giving overly-simplistic pat answers and that you're not understanding the issue in a comprehensive way. Are you willing to sit down, work with me and understand the issues I have? The first step in solving a problem is identifying what the problem is and you sir think you understand the issue well but you really don't. You think you're this wise guru when you are an ignorant person. So, if you're not willing to be my Henry Higgins then go the f**k on.

Me: Another person who doesn't want help or to better himself.

He: *Overhears sarcastic quip* Yells in a rage when calmly explaining things "HOW IN THE f**k DO I HELP OR BETTER MYSELF WHEN I DON'T KNOW HOW, I RESEARCH AND THE RESEARCH LEAVES ME MORE CONFUSED AND NO ONE INCLUDING YOURSELF WILL SIT DOWN AND BREAK THINGS DOWN TO ME? AND, HOW IN THE f**k AM I EXPECTED TO HAVE THE RIGHT GODDAMNED PERSONALITY WHEN I'M TOLD AND OTHERS ARE TOLD CONSTANTLY TO BE THEMSELVES.

Me: *Runs off. This person is f*****g psycho!"

Jaysus people. If you're a perpetual skeptic or a glass half full person and don't like the answers you get, stop asking the damn questions

The thing is though is positivity has to be genuine and come from the heart. If one is punished for not being optimistic and positive including exclusion and excommunication by others and challenging the ideas and tenets of positive thinking and optimism is considered pessimism and negative thinking then it is a cult. Even if it is instincts as you say and optimism health wise is better then pessimism but if one has to fake this optimism then it becomes more of a form of thought control just like cults do.

The attitude is "get positive or get out."

You've lost me.

I think telling someone to get a chain for their glasses is an achievable and measurable goal.

If someone is telling you to move to another state when you haven't any money or a car, or telling you to get a job when you are disabled, your only job is not to listen. s**t, we're all half crazy on here. Coming here as you're single source for advice probably isn't a good idea either. So why are you doing it?

^cause I don’t have anyone else don’t have anywhere else.

If not for wp I’d be all complete alone besides my family that’s rapidly falling apart from all the fighting.

Don’t have a gf don’t have friends.

Sly has friends on WP.

Yes, I’d jump into a half-empty pool, provided the depth is over three feet.

I haven't followed all of the thread, but I am amused that related to this topic, this implies after you'd jump into the half-empty pool you'd suffer. And you jumped in because you were addicted to suffering.

I suffer a lot.
I overheard them saying I would pretty much be a vegetable the rest of my life.
I have gotten past that to some degree but am still unable to do much.
I have significant cognitive and physical disabilities that do not allow me to do much.
And certain chronic illnesses that cause me pain and hamper me.
But I maintain a positive attitude and get the best I can out of life with what I have rather than what I don't.
If I had a defeatist attitude instead of a yes I can attitude, I probably would not be able to be writing this.

One thing that helps is knowing others have it worse than me.
I think about that rather than those who have it better.
I think of a guy I know who is a C-5 quadriplegic.
While there are a lot of things I can not do and things I can not do without help, there is nothing he can do on his own and without help in comparison to me.
I can at least get up from my chair and get a glass of water, he can't
I can get up from my chair and go into the bathroom to pee and then go back to my desk relatively easily. He can't.
I can snack at my desk grabbing chips or peanuts to eat and a can or bottle of whatever to drink. He can't.
I can enjoy hours of playing my online video game, he can't since he has practically no use of his hands and fingers.

But he also has a positive attitude. He is thankful that he can breath on his own without needing a respirator.
Imagine that. Being thankful and happy over being able to breath on your own.

There is an old saying that goes; I cried about not having shoes until I met a man who had no feet.

Wow Ezra, that saying has been my mantra all my life, and has helped me accept and survive many difficult times. Thank you for reminding me

Nope.....I didn’t mean that at all......what Sharon said.

I meant.....I try to do the best I can whatever circumstances I encounter and experience.

Sly, I do love reading your posts, you have a true and honest heart.

I wish to propose a question to you: Do you think innovation is a product of negativity and the prediction of doom and gloom, or, does innovation symbolize a reluctance to stay stuck in a negative status quo, striving for something better?

Did Einstein wake up every morning and say to himself " there is absolutely no point in my thinking because the grey matter in my brain is degenerating rapidly, I'll be dead in ten years anyway so I'm just going to sit here and wait for my body to decompose." Or did he have this awesome drive to discover, solve, determine and implement?

I do honestly think though that nobody has the right to criticize anyone elses addiction to suffering, inability to see light at the end of tunnel or sense of lack of hope. We are each imprisoned in our emotional default. I also know that the support of my friends has literally saved my life in times when I have not been able to save myself.