Human nature has me at pessimistic catatonic breaking point

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Human nature has me at pessimistic catatonic breaking point, I just feel like I can't move. I've been drive to despair by pessimism. My dad blames it all on my personal problems, its true I don't really have many friends. But I feel insulted that what for me is a metaphysical question can just be dismissed as rationalization. I hate that Freudian loop. I will only concede this. If I was satisfied hedonistically, I might take the meaningless and cruelness of life as a comedy, while in my situation I take it as a tragedy. Comes mostly from Schopenhauer. I just see the radically anti-egalitarian nature of the world as it is as just driven by a sexual sadism in all humanity that needs to dominate and degrade and inflict pain. At one time I had the youthful energy to struggle mightily against such forces to fight against the black ocean. But now I'm just exhausted and have lost all real hope of victory. I just hate the glib answer of human nature people give to any chance of building a better world. The easy dismissals of utopia. Everything they taught us in childhood about good guys and bad guys was a lie. I was the only fool who believed it. So just getting up in the morning and doing daily routine makes me feel like I'm supporting the world that I hate to the very fiber of my being.

I think it's called a pathocracy when the sociopaths are in charge.

I am 60 years old. I am a father and a grandfather and head of the family.

Sometimes I would like to curl into a ball and yell "I want my Mommy"

But it ain't going to happen.

You just have to suck it in and do what you gotta do. You have to take charge and give hope and faith to the next generation.

I know how you feel. I've even used the words 'sexual sadism' to describe it in my own mind.

What I really want is for humanity to find a way to have their fun (and yes, I want us to have lots of it!) without having to subject people with genetic illnesses to painful lifestyles. If we couldn't learn to be happy without a 'torture chamber for failures,' then who would we be? In a very deep sense, I agree with you.

Nietzsche proclaimed himself to be the Antichrist and the successor to Schopenhauer. After reading sections from the Genealogy of Morals, I have come to suspect Nietzsche of being guilty of several fallacies. He writes at length about how "the sick are mad at the healthy," downgrading the fruits of their generosity and suggesting that they be segregated without pity. He inspired the Nazi movement.

I hope people will realize that when they see crime on the streets and in schools, it isn't due solely to the genetic unfitness and jealousy of the perpetrators but also partly to the way they are handled by society, to the way they are mocked and ridiculed in the media, in advertisements, in movies, and on T-shirts. If humanity manages to wake up from its slumber of bullying the less attractive, we may witness better times.

I've written several essays on these very subjects, and you can read them if you want.

P.S. I've also peeked at the writings of Wilhelm Stekel, and this guy sounds like a bad dude.

I feel the same way often times. I feel mostly alone in how I feel about the world. I want to help people but it seems that whenever I set forth ideas about how problems could be solved potentially, I tend to get a response from the person saying that whatever I say is impossible b/c humans are selfish by nature. It seems some ppl just like to complain and not do anything about it. Instead they accept things as "a fact of life." However, for whatever reason I just wasnt made like that. I am highly sensitive, actually care about the mass suffering of living things, and have my heart set on helping make change. It seems from my POV that other ppl are selfish, cruel, and apathetic. I know no one is perfect but when I compare my conscious/ heart/ emotional qualities., it's like I'm an alien or that I was born into the wrong species. Thus I find myself becoming more and more disillusioned about everything about the world, questioning the point of existence and the tragedy of humanity's existence, as a risen beast who forever reason developed "consciousness" and the ability to become supposedly civilized and of higher moral behavior than the "lower" animals, only to be stuck functioning with a pre
historic brain that still contains the legacy of the beasts we evolved from eons ago. I know i'm going to have to find a way to accept human nature and remove having much faith in it reaching a state where I feel (and others) it ought to be. The only question is when and how b/c so much in this world hurts me and the only way I know to block it out, is to turn my back on caring at all.

Get a pair of balls and stop whinging. You're as bad as the people you don't like no matter what you do. Get over it, go with the flow and build your life.

Quitting your job over your woes on the world was a pretty stupid move, especially an easy job.

This section is called The Haven and people who post here are entitled to positive or sympathetic responses.

Amsirob, I think it's extremely admirable of you to seek change in a world of greed and selfishness. I know exactly how you feel about people who try to tell us, "That's just the way we are." Today, I even invented a fallacy name for it: the Fallacy of Extrapolation to Human Nature. It's very similar to the Fallacy of Hasty Generalization.

Edit: Gosh, I'm going to have to say this, but when I said "stop whining about whining," I was being a little unfair. However... I think that such remarks as "stop whining" quite clearly give evidence of a lack of empathy on the part of the commander.

I also looked at the list of fallacies and realized that the Fallacy of Extrapolation to Human Nature, as I have called it, might fall under the category of Fallacy of Hasty Induction. But I'm pretty sure that seven other fallacies I've named are new:

Fallacy of the Unconditional Motive ("You just want to hurt people," heard when physically defending yourself)
Fallacy of the Single Motive ("You only did that for praise")
Fallacy of the Undisjunct Motive ("Why are you letting a little thing bother you?" when many things are bothering you at once)
Fallacy of Attributing Enjoyment (poss. "His anger was his balm, his refreshment, his reward" -Nietzsche)
Fallacy of Freedom from Behavioral Reinforcement (one to look out for!)
Fallacy of the Predetermined Outcome ("I told you so")
Fallacy of the Lightning Bolt (appeal to striking coincidence in order to justify a claim)

The Sociopaths aren't in charge - they're weak, pathetic globules of fat waiting to be scraped up and thrown out with the rest of the garbage.

Power, to my mind, comes from being the most honourable you can be - that is true power. All those incomprehensibly pathetic Politicians who f**k people up with their evil influences are immeasurably weak.

We're all far greater than any of those fat cats will ever be.

Schopenhauer's philosophy in particular has led to my wretched despair. Does anyone have answers to him?

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Perhaps find comfort where he did and in what his philosophy overlapped with.