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27 Aug 2009, 8:08 am

Over time, as I've learned the names of more and more [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies[/url]Fallacies[/url], I have come to have a feeling in this culture of being surrounded by idiots.

This is no mere feeling of superiority, but a genuine disgust and at times rage in moments when I'm overwhelmed by the fallacies of others. It's worst when they team up on you, as in their smug satisfaction with 'having friends' they don't seem to mind how many fallacies they commit. This makes an utterly contemptible impression on me, and at times even a terrifying one as I feel forced to avoid remaining silent, lest I be attacked by... the stupid people.

This orgy of fallacies, insults, and finger-pointing gets so bad that I wonder how some autistic people feel deep in their hearts when they are less able to communicate. Do they know about the stupid people the way I do?

At times I feel like I have to chop my way through a spiked vine forest of fallacies. They scapegoat. They presume intentions and causal connections. They denounce possibilities and follow the mentality of their 'herd' in blind faith. They generalize, shift motives, make connections, and straw man you, not even giving courtesy to who you are.

So at times I just say things to myself like, "I know there are many possible explanations, and one of them is that someone's plotting against me. Now, an idiot might come along and tell me I'm delusional, but being stupid, he wouldn't realize that having a delusion isn't the same as acknowledging a possibility," and, "What the idiots who need to have their***********d off don't understand is that ugly people have feelings." Sometimes I can't take it anymore! They're all just so stupid! The stupid people! The stupid people!

So why do I actually call them stupid? I have come to believe -- and don't get me wrong -- but I really have come to believe that this judgment has been shoved down my throat. While I know it's an opinionated judgment -- after all, measurements are relative, so who's to say who's stupid and who's not? -- it just seems to be my recourse to pride and humorous self-respect when I begin having auditory hallucinations. To repeat, these auditory hallucinations say things like,

"You're a freak, Charlie Brown!"
"There's a reason for that, Scott Hoagie Sandwich!"
"You're a painful person!"
"Eyyaaaaasperger's Syndrome," and even,
"Psychopaaaath."

It's unbearable. It's a load of hogwash that serves no purpose when I'm not being punished and represents the feeble-minded attitudes of kids who have long since grown up. So I'm just kind of lured into saying... "The stupid people."

I really apologize. I wish I could be a better student of relativity.

Maybe if we had fewer Machiavellian leeches, heartless macho-wannabes, hypocritical Happy Bunnies, dominant ape-men with no compassion for the suffering, Christian torturers, law enforcement bullies, people who shout "GET OFF THE ROOOOOAD!" as they drive by you on the sidewalk, people who are too afraid to stick up for the lone victim and instead join in, taboo terrorists who shout "Ewww, it's a SNAKE! It's a SNAKE!"; closed-minded competition-obsessed sadists who believe that the meaning of life is to make fun of losers, people who think that 'competition' is some kind of miracle word that solves every problem known to man, greedy doctors who bully their patients, people who refuse to admit when they're wrong and keep peddling the same old persecutions long after they've been challenged, fallacy-committing 'dudes' who hide behind their dull-minded crowds, people who perform acts of cruelty 'because they can,' people who ruin lives on purpose, idiots who read Nietzsche and then go out and torment people; aggressive, authoritarian dogs who think they can win your respect with negative reinforcement alone, people who give you nothing but losing options and shame you for all of them, deceivers, manipulators, people who pull your strings, white liars, Eric Cartmans, and Scut Farkuses in the world, I'd be less inclined to actually call people stupid.

So, every now and then, it slips out. "The stupid people." I hope you'll forgive me.

After all this, do you want to know what my shining task in the world is? To help them.


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27 Aug 2009, 9:16 am

They may be stupid but they are the majority.



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27 Aug 2009, 9:37 am

It's the Matrix. I've been harping about it for a while. A huge tangle of social fictions. One superstition based on another and another, and around the fruit loop we go, never touching the ground at all.

Why don't they see it? A tiny part of the answer is in this little test. It's a video of a group of people passing a basketball around. Some are wearing white T-shirts, some are wearing black T-shirts. Your mission, should you chose to accept it, is to count how many times the white team successfully passes the ball to each other. No cheating, no going back. The prize for the correct answer is a handful of M&Ms.
http://viscog.beckman.illinois.edu/flashmovie/15.php

If you can put it in words, feel free to join this conversation.
"Autistic Vocabulary" http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt106226.html

My favorite "Fruit Loop" is here:
http://911review.org/debunkingconspiracies.html


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27 Aug 2009, 10:58 am

I think they pass the ball 15 times but what is there to explain?



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27 Aug 2009, 2:41 pm

Sadly you're right, they are stupid. No question about it. I atleast can be happy because I live in a country with one of the lowest people/km^2 on earth, it helps alot.

I feel with you, I tend to think the same thing as soon as I open a newspaper or when I go down town.


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27 Aug 2009, 3:04 pm

^^ Greetings MikeH106, I am very sorry you are so upset. ^^ I am also very sorry if I may considered a stupid person in your opinion.

^^ I may perhaps certainly see your opinion, however I feel that there is nothing that may be done for this. ^^ I very much believe that although free will does exist, the actual consciousness, the self, is not veru much responsible for the decisions made. I believe in a "constant consciousness". ^^ That is, if one individual possess the same genes, experiences, are in the same position etc. as another, that is they have all the same circumstances, then they are the same individual, and hence will make identical decisions. As a result, I like to call the consciousness constant in this respect. (Although I do believe that all individuals are NOT the same).
Thus, I believe that an individual is who they are, due to circumstance. ^^ This leads me to many, many beliefs. I believe that all lives possess the same "value". ^^ Thus, I believe genocide is very much taking place unnecessarily every day to non-human individuals. Yet, I do not believe that the humans carrying this out are evil. They just do not view matters in the same way as I, nor do I in the same way as them. Though, I wish to do all I can to stop this suffering. However, I am very confused how I may do this. ^^ I am certainly horrible I believe.
^^ Therefore, I believe this connects to what you are saying. No matter how much one agrees or disagrees with the actions of another, they are doing this as they believe it is right, or do not understand otherwise, in much the same way that you believe in what you believe in. ^^ Thus, perhaps to make you feel happier and change what you wish to change, perhaps you may take action. ^^ For instance, perhaps you may happily campaign against bullying or other such matters.

^^ I do hope this is of help for you, I am very sorry if I have been horrible.



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27 Aug 2009, 3:10 pm

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a stronger nation than now.


Stronger. You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!


from the pen of The Prophet, Edward D. Wood, Jr. 8O :P

A low tolerance for stupidity is one of the major reasons I don't go out much.

But television and the internet are like portals through which it comes gushing into my home anyway... :roll: Present company excluded, of course :D



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27 Aug 2009, 3:26 pm

Tomasu wrote:
...genocide is very much taking place unnecessarily every day to non-human individuals. Yet, I do not believe that the humans carrying this out are evil...
The "innocent soldier" is the ultimate evil. To mindlessly follow, to the point of going to another country for the sole purpose of killing someone, without for a minute wondering why, is unconscionable. It's not that they have a different value system or opinion. The problem is that they don't have a value system or opinion at all, other than the idea that blind obedience is good.

You are not horrible. Neither are you blindly following.


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27 Aug 2009, 3:33 pm

Tahitiii wrote:
Tomasu wrote:
...genocide is very much taking place unnecessarily every day to non-human individuals. Yet, I do not believe that the humans carrying this out are evil...
The "innocent soldier" is the ultimate evil. To mindlessly follow, to the point of going to another country for the sole purpose of killing someone, without for a minute wondering why, is unconscionable. It's not that they have a different value system or opinion. The problem is that they don't have a value system or opinion at all, other than the idea that blind obedience is good.

You are not horrible. Neither are you blindly following.


^^ Thank you Tahitiii. ^^ In addition to my points above, there are a number of reasons why I think it is not that the humans do not try to think about this, just that they do not find a similar way of perceiving the matter as I. For instance, I am a vegetarian and often discuss my beliefs with my family. My brother is very much against my beliefs, in spite of me preaching very happily to him. However also, he preaches to me to believe that humans have more value than non-humans. ^^ Perhaps also I may not be very persuasive as I believe I am nto very skilled at expressing my ideas in words.

^^ I believe that they are not blindly following the non-human genocide, as they do try to think about this, yet do not think in a similar manner to myself. ^^ I am very sorry, thank you Tahitiii.



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27 Aug 2009, 4:36 pm

You are absolutely far from stupid in my eyes, Tahitii. From what I've read, we have a lot in common. :)

In response to Marsian's comment, they may be the majority, but that doesn't mean the majority can't be flat-out wrong. It's even possible that the government is taking measures to ensure that the American public remains 'stupid' and subject to religious manipulation (and even I feel a little manipulated) to maintain control over them.

If so, then the government may just be desperately trying to squash out any potential threat it sees to the integrity of the country. They could be playing pranks on the brightest citizens who threaten to write big books about Christianity that make it plainly clear that the religion is a fraud, in order to get people to believe in God or Satan, and might even be torturing people to this end.

In the long run, this kind of politic really would give a shameful portrayal of the American government, and to avoid this brutal tactic of making people 'stupid' we could work to educate the public in the right ways, so that higher intelligence itself would pose less of a threat.

Really, what we're looking for here is a way to have fun without hurting anyone...


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27 Aug 2009, 8:15 pm

MikeH106 wrote:
Over time, as I've learned the names of more and more [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies[/url]Fallacies[/url], I have come to have a feeling in this culture of being surrounded by idiots.

This is no mere feeling of superiority, but a genuine disgust and at times rage in moments when I'm overwhelmed by the fallacies of others. It's worst when they team up on you, as in their smug satisfaction with 'having friends' they don't seem to mind how many fallacies they commit. This makes an utterly contemptible impression on me, and at times even a terrifying one as I feel forced to avoid remaining silent, lest I be attacked by... the stupid people.

This orgy of fallacies, insults, and finger-pointing gets so bad that I wonder how some autistic people feel deep in their hearts when they are less able to communicate. Do they know about the stupid people the way I do?

At times I feel like I have to chop my way through a spiked vine forest of fallacies. They scapegoat. They presume intentions and causal connections. They denounce possibilities and follow the mentality of their 'herd' in blind faith. They generalize, shift motives, make connections, and straw man you, not even giving courtesy to who you are.

So at times I just say things to myself like, "I know there are many possible explanations, and one of them is that someone's plotting against me. Now, an idiot might come along and tell me I'm delusional, but being stupid, he wouldn't realize that having a delusion isn't the same as acknowledging a possibility," and, "What the idiots who need to have their***********d off don't understand is that ugly people have feelings." Sometimes I can't take it anymore! They're all just so stupid! The stupid people! The stupid people!

So why do I actually call them stupid? I have come to believe -- and don't get me wrong -- but I really have come to believe that this judgment has been shoved down my throat. While I know it's an opinionated judgment -- after all, measurements are relative, so who's to say who's stupid and who's not? -- it just seems to be my recourse to pride and humorous self-respect when I begin having auditory hallucinations. To repeat, these auditory hallucinations say things like,

"You're a freak, Charlie Brown!"
"There's a reason for that, Scott Hoagie Sandwich!"
"You're a painful person!"
"Eyyaaaaasperger's Syndrome," and even,
"Psychopaaaath."

It's unbearable. It's a load of hogwash that serves no purpose when I'm not being punished and represents the feeble-minded attitudes of kids who have long since grown up. So I'm just kind of lured into saying... "The stupid people."

I really apologize. I wish I could be a better student of relativity.

Maybe if we had fewer Machiavellian leeches, heartless macho-wannabes, hypocritical Happy Bunnies, dominant ape-men with no compassion for the suffering, Christian torturers, law enforcement bullies, people who shout "GET OFF THE ROOOOOAD!" as they drive by you on the sidewalk, people who are too afraid to stick up for the lone victim and instead join in, taboo terrorists who shout "Ewww, it's a SNAKE! It's a SNAKE!"; closed-minded competition-obsessed sadists who believe that the meaning of life is to make fun of losers, people who think that 'competition' is some kind of miracle word that solves every problem known to man, greedy doctors who bully their patients, people who refuse to admit when they're wrong and keep peddling the same old persecutions long after they've been challenged, fallacy-committing 'dudes' who hide behind their dull-minded crowds, people who perform acts of cruelty 'because they can,' people who ruin lives on purpose, idiots who read Nietzsche and then go out and torment people; aggressive, authoritarian dogs who think they can win your respect with negative reinforcement alone, people who give you nothing but losing options and shame you for all of them, deceivers, manipulators, people who pull your strings, white liars, Eric Cartmans, and Scut Farkuses in the world, I'd be less inclined to actually call people stupid.

So, every now and then, it slips out. "The stupid people." I hope you'll forgive me.

After all this, do you want to know what my shining task in the world is? To help them.


i feel i have failed you. i'm sorry....

take heart then in a well-known philosophical phrase. though it is ironic, it is true.

"true wisdom lies in knowing that you know nothing"
it has many implications.

it is because of this that although i go to great lengths sometimes to give advice, talk about things, give my explanations, opinions.
i do not consider any of what i believe or say to be infallible. or incapable of error. so i try to make a point to try to also make that clear.
i am really open-minded. it is ultimately a good quality and leads to understanding. i only try to help others be so also.


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28 Aug 2009, 1:45 am

MikeH106 wrote:
From what I've read, we have a lot in common.
Maybe you'll like this one. http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt72732.html



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28 Aug 2009, 8:59 am

Tahitiii wrote:
MikeH106 wrote:
From what I've read, we have a lot in common.
Maybe you'll like this one. http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt72732.html


Oh, I'm sorry! I meant Tomasu! He was worried that I might think he was stupid.

But no, neither of you are stupid in my opinion. :) In fact, this is one of the most intelligent forums I've ever visited.


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28 Aug 2009, 7:50 pm

I know how you feel. I find a lot of people in "normal" society very frustrating to deal with because they don't think about the world.

I remember being *16* and taking a college course with adults, and they near drove me insane, because they accepted ideas about the world that were faulty without thinking about them, then parroted them at me when I showed signs of difference. If I pointed out why they were irrational, they just argued from emotion some more. And then, of course, there was the fact that my ideas and arguments were effectively null and void anyway because I was young. Even if an adult was arguing from emotion and talking crap, and I was presenting a reasoned explanation of why I disagreed, I was automatically decided to be wrong, because of my age. Apparently, life experience trumps everything else - even if you learn nothing from it.

This aversion to stupidity is one of the reasons I don't bother with people unless they're a lot like me. Why choose to be around someone who talks s**t and silences me every time I posit my own view of the world by saying 'You're just trying to be different' or 'You're too young to know what you're on about'?


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28 Aug 2009, 8:28 pm

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I was automatically decided to be wrong, because of my age...
Not true. They lied. I'm old, and it doesn't get any better. They'll use any excuse, skin color, age, association to some group, gender, it doesn't need to make sense. There's no point in arguing because they don't believe it themselves. It's just an excuse to tell you to shut up.



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MikeH106 wrote:
You are absolutely far from stupid in my eyes, Tahitii. From what I've read, we have a lot in common. :)

In response to Marsian's comment, they may be the majority, but that doesn't mean the majority can't be flat-out wrong. It's even possible that the government is taking measures to ensure that the American public remains 'stupid' and subject to religious manipulation (and even I feel a little manipulated) to maintain control over them.

If so, then the government may just be desperately trying to squash out any potential threat it sees to the integrity of the country. They could be playing pranks on the brightest citizens who threaten to write big books about Christianity that make it plainly clear that the religion is a fraud, in order to get people to believe in God or Satan, and might even be torturing people to this end.

In the long run, this kind of politic really would give a shameful portrayal of the American government, and to avoid this brutal tactic of making people 'stupid' we could work to educate the public in the right ways, so that higher intelligence itself would pose less of a threat.

Really, what we're looking for here is a way to have fun without hurting anyone...

From what I've heard from over there, they are indeed trying to keep Americans stupid, mainly through fear of *epic drumroll* terrorists... Ad "to keep America safe from terrorists" and everyone agrees to everything. :roll:


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