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17 Nov 2009, 10:05 pm

Does anyone else see the world as a world of infinite sadness? Maybe it is my AS inability to ignore the obvious. When I am out in the world I see 90% sadness and 10% beauty. There is so much suffering, loneliness, illness and sadness in the world-- it feels like a world of infinite sadness, with just small borders of brightness.

I don't particularly consider myself a pessimist and I do enjoy life. But I see an ocean of sad people around me, while the world pretends to be a happy and bright place (like it is shown in moves and TV). But the reality is stark and lonely.

This is something I've felt from an early age-- that we live in a world of infinite sadness while pretending to be happy. Or at least everyone else pretended to be happy, while sad and lonely on the inside. I was never good at faking it.



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17 Nov 2009, 10:24 pm

I think the world is a sea of infinite sadness but those sparks of happiness are every bit as real and you shouldn't lose sight of them. The media really has set everyone up for a letdown. They'd have you think you'll achieve nirvana if you'd just buy this car. Anyone with sense knows this isn't true, but when you get that message day after day after day it starts to seep through.


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17 Nov 2009, 10:33 pm

You can derive infinite sadness from life if you try. And sometimes life just kicks your butt regardless. This world certainly has infinite sadness. But there's no real reason to dwell on it. Sometimes we pretend to be happy, but that's just to avoid making others sad. Find whatever good you can in life and embrace it. There's just no point in doing otherwise.


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18 Nov 2009, 12:26 am

caissa wrote:
Does anyone else see the world as a world of infinite sadness? Maybe it is my AS inability to ignore the obvious. When I am out in the world I see 90% sadness and 10% beauty. There is so much suffering, loneliness, illness and sadness in the world-- it feels like a world of infinite sadness, with just small borders of brightness.


yea
perhaps if more people could see what u see the world would be much better place but since most people are too bussy with their little pathetic shows and are possessed by delusional goals they don't really care or even feel the need to care



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18 Nov 2009, 1:17 am

It is all about perspective. If you believe the world to be a sad place, so shall it appear. If you believe the world to be a happy place, then you will see happiness everywhere. Your beliefs form your perspectives, and your perspectives color the world. The trick is to get more deeply in touch with your beliefs. You say reality is stark and lonely. When did you start to believe such a thing, and why? I think that if you can figure these things out, it might help you to understand that Reality is neither happy or sad in and of itself, but it is our beliefs which make It what It is. At least, that's what I believe. :wink:



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18 Nov 2009, 2:46 am

invisibitsy wrote:
It is all about perspective. If you believe the world to be a sad place, so shall it appear. If you believe the world to be a happy place, then you will see happiness everywhere. Your beliefs form your perspectives, and your perspectives color the world. The trick is to get more deeply in touch with your beliefs. You say reality is stark and lonely. When did you start to believe such a thing, and why? I think that if you can figure these things out, it might help you to understand that Reality is neither happy or sad in and of itself, but it is our beliefs which make It what It is. At least, that's what I believe. :wink:


our believes can help us to survive but the world is really an immensely sad place and feeling it make it easier to get by because there nothing better than to be real and to adjust your expectations to reality



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18 Nov 2009, 2:51 am

So? What if the world is really really sad?
What then? Sorry, but as an aspie I just can't ignore the obvious: There's no easy fix.
Humans, in and of themselves are...ahem..horrid creatures...

But the problem may be with other people doing bad stuff..
The solution is with you doing good stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEIvlihb2Ms

That may be a good song to express it. Especially with the videoclip.



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18 Nov 2009, 3:21 am

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So? What if the world is really really sad?
What then? Sorry, but as an aspie I just can't ignore the obvious: There's no easy fix.
Humans, in and of themselves are...ahem..horrid creatures...

But the problem may be with other people doing bad stuff..
The solution is with you doing good stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEIvlihb2Ms

That may be a good song to express it. Especially with the videoclip.


there is a difference between feeling sad and knowing that the world is very sad place and it's not just your subjective feelings
there is a value in assessing correctly the amount of misconceptions,miscommunication,injustice etc... because that leads you to better understanding of what is possible and what is good and what is bad which is not as simple as most people take it to be



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18 Nov 2009, 3:29 am

I think the world is a beautiful magical place where anything can happen. People are the problem. They are just evil! Everyone wants to hurt everyone else. They only care about themselves, and they look for nice people to take advantage of. I just want to be where things make sense.
For example (I hope I don't break any rules here...) My BF told me the other day the "real story" of how the united States was started and all the terrible things the government did to the native americans. Then he told me that the history books are all wrong. I was agast! Now I cant be a teacher! I am not going to lie to my countries future!
Each and every day, the world becomes a more repulsive place to be. I can barely drive my daughter to school anymore, I cant stand to see the crazy drivers almost running over the children, and not stopping at crosswalks, and of course being almost trampled in the crosswalk every day.
I see how other people parent their children and I want to hurt someone for the injustice of it all!
The job I lost because I was "annoying". Last time I EVER tell a boss that I have AS!
Like I said, people are the problem. I am entirely too trusting, and I never expect it when someone shows their evil side. (Everyone has an evil side)



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18 Nov 2009, 5:42 am

caissa wrote:
Does anyone else see the world as a world of infinite sadness? Maybe it is my AS inability to ignore the obvious. When I am out in the world I see 90% sadness and 10% beauty. There is so much suffering, loneliness, illness and sadness in the world-- it feels like a world of infinite sadness, with just small borders of brightness.

I don't particularly consider myself a pessimist and I do enjoy life. But I see an ocean of sad people around me, while the world pretends to be a happy and bright place (like it is shown in moves and TV). But the reality is stark and lonely.

This is something I've felt from an early age-- that we live in a world of infinite sadness while pretending to be happy. Or at least everyone else pretended to be happy, while sad and lonely on the inside. I was never good at faking it.




I see the world as a world of infinite sadness.


"And it seemed at last that there were two musics progressing at one time before the seat of Illuvatar, and they were utterly at variance. The one was deep and wide and beautiful, but slow and blended with an immeasurable sorrow, FROM WHICH ITS BEAUTY CHIEFLY CAME".

J.R.R. Tolkien...."The Silmarillion"



This is the one of the few things which hinders my otherwise hard-boiled, cynical atheism and materialism.

I will NEVER really grasp this seemingly magical dance between sorrow and beauty.

I was never good at faking happiness either....I think I have every reason in the world to be unhappy and i'm tired of apologizing for that. I think billions of others who have walked this Earth have every rational reason to be unhappy irrespective of whether they actually are or not. I marvel at those who know nothing but misery, poverty, injustice, disease, death, etc....and still SEEM happy at least. Compared to most people (in the developed world at the very least) I have absolutely no quality of life. So why should I feel bad about being unhappy if millions who are infinitely better off then I am are unhappy? Unhappy even to the point of suicide. Since I view all human feelings, behaviors, etc....through a rather deterministic lens, I have hard time believing "free will" has anything to do with happiness or lack thereof. Regardless of the individual's circumstances in life, it seems like happiness/unhappiness is wholly determined by nature and nurture.


Some people are never happy no matter how fortunate they seem to be. They could have all the brains, beauty, money, loving family/friends in the world and if they suffer from dysthymia or something....all of that might as well be null and void. Then there are those who have none of these things and seem wholly impervious to their misfortune. Nothing can wipe the smile from their face or the song from their heart.

Aside from genetic/epigenetic factors and environmental ones...what else could explain this?



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18 Nov 2009, 9:18 am

invisibitsy wrote:
It is all about perspective. If you believe the world to be a sad place, so shall it appear.
While technically true, simply analysing one's beliefs is unlikely to change this. Personal beliefs of this nature usually arise not due to rational reasoning but regular experience. If you've repeatedly gone through the pain commonly felt by autistic people then it's difficult to rearrange your thinking if 90% of your emotions scream the opposite.


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18 Nov 2009, 9:31 am

oppositedirection wrote:
invisibitsy wrote:
It is all about perspective. If you believe the world to be a sad place, so shall it appear.
While technically true, simply analysing one's beliefs is unlikely to change this. Personal beliefs of this nature usually arise not due to rational reasoning but regular experience. If you've repeatedly gone through the pain commonly felt by autistic people then it's difficult to rearrange your thinking if 90% of your emotions scream the opposite.


so true and so needed to be heard and said



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18 Nov 2009, 11:43 am

oppositedirection wrote:
invisibitsy wrote:
It is all about perspective. If you believe the world to be a sad place, so shall it appear.
While technically true, simply analysing one's beliefs is unlikely to change this. Personal beliefs of this nature usually arise not due to rational reasoning but regular experience. If you've repeatedly gone through the pain commonly felt by autistic people then it's difficult to rearrange your thinking if 90% of your emotions scream the opposite.


I understand the frequency and depth of the pain. But I do think that just by simply knowing that the real Reality which pervades this world and is ultimately beyond this world, is a reality unclouded by our judgments of It -- how reassuringly peaceful, and tremendously helpful to think back to from time to time. I also find that the more I meditate on the nature of reality, the better I get at referring back to that quiet place even in the midst of apparent chaos.

Just some harmless Zen for you. Blessings.