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19 Nov 2009, 4:04 am

I am kinda friendly with my neighbour we hang out a fair bit. Anyway he got obsessive about his ex girlfriend and stalked although less so now her by driving around to her house and sitting there, calling her up and hanging up, getting others to call her, getting people to knock on her door, guessing her password for email. Facebook and RSVP and reading them on my computer, calling up the airline to find out when she is getting back from her holiday and threw eggs at her place. Anyway my problem is that I got too far involved I was there a few times when he was sitting outside her place, was a look out whilst he went into her shed, threw eggs once and one time turned off her lights at the fuse box.

To "help him out" I naively decided to place an ad on Gumtree with his ex address saying that she was after casual sex with women. Anyway it got way out of hand and being asexual and Asperger's thought she would get a couple of people tell them to f**k off and that would be it. Instead she got like 60 responses and got in a full on argument with people at her door. I also got into her emails and replied to ones people had sent regarding the ad and then deleting them so Tina would not know. I did not intend to hurt or upset her or put her in danger just annoy her I thought it would be a joke instead it got way out of hand and she called the cops, so far so good nothing has happened to me. Trouble is that other people are upset with me for doing it and sure it wasnt a good idea but there is a lot more to the story than they know. The truth is I didnt understand the wider implications of playing such a prank I have trouble because of my AS seeing the wider consequences. For those of you who are going to say well I can see the consequences etc I say remember that AS affects everyone differently and for me this is an area I have great difficulty with.

When things got out of control Michael started threatening me and is always accusing me of lying and is blackmailing me he is a crook through and through the amount of stuff he has told me he has done. He started yelling and screaming at me tonight because i am telling people about it of course I am I have got way too far involved and I am sick of him acting like I have done everything I haven't sure I sent the ads but he was the one that got me involved in the Tina stuff in the first place and despite what he says he is more involved than me. I made mistakes I exaggerated (not lied) on a stat dec to help him out make his case look better and at the advice of Lifeline wrote a letter to Tina telling her Michael was getting into her emails etc but left myself out of it as anyone would. I understand that LL counsellors thinking but her advice made the situation 10 times worse when Michael found out from the police it was me who sent it. Yes Michael never told me to send the ads but he did say it would be "funny" and told me Tina's second name and never said not to do it so I took it literally. He did tell me to call her, knock on her door, turn off her power, throw eggs etc. He is making threats etc as well he has really upset me he told someone at work that when people with Aspergers are born they should be held under water to drown (later apologised for that). That was an awful and cruel thing to say. He keeps saying that if it gets to court he will say x, y,z to get me into it that he will make me look bad stuff like that. Another neighbour James who lives across the road one day said to me "Michael doesn't care about the welfare of his cat he just lets it run wild" I told Michael this and he then went to James who denied it accusing me of saying it. Another example is that James didn't want me to ask him for help and called my mum up and told her to get me to leave him alone. Again Michael went and asked James who again denied it. I feel like I can't say anything to anyone without my every word being scrutinized people often give different accounts for any number of reasons they don't want to get involved, they remember differently, they are embarrassed or they want to make themselves look good it doesn't mean I am lying. I am tired of being accused of lying, I am tired of being held to ransom (the stat dec etc), I am tired of being threatened (you wont be living in this house I will bury you under it, I have information keep quiet etc) and I am tired of thinking things are ok only for it to be brought up again and again. Tonight I lost it yelled at him and he yelled back at me making threats and I left in tears. I have spoken to a lawyer and yes exaggerating the stat dec was stupid but as she said everyone does it, Michael keeps accusing me of lying he is a thief and a cheater I on the other hand are someone who yes made mistakes and yes was stupid but simply got too far involved so it is totally hypocritical even if I was "lying" I am not and never was. I admit I made mistakes in it but I do not deserve for this aggro and upset over it. Normal people would have accepted the break up he didn't and is still harassing her a year later. I just saw him go over to James place it is obvious he is trying to get him "on side" or similar the whole thing is very upsetting and stressful, I am also angry and tired of it. Both James and Michael are from totally different backgrounds to me they are both typical Aussie blokes James in particular is typical Aussie he likes to swear a lot, drink a lot and worst of all he has picked up I am easy to make fun of and does that too. It wasn't until his (James) wife came and todl me I realsied that was going on.



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19 Nov 2009, 5:29 am

Wow, you must be exhausted. As you say you are unable to see potential unintended consequences, maybe your best bet is to have nothing at all to do with this guy. He sounds like he is very good at manipulation. I've known people like that where you have to worry about every little thing you say being used against you later. I'm glad you saw a lawyer. Now you know why she's his ex-girlfriend.


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19 Nov 2009, 5:41 am

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Wow, you must be exhausted. As you say you are unable to see potential unintended consequences, maybe your best bet is to have nothing at all to do with this guy. He sounds like he is very good at manipulation. I've known people like that where you have to worry about every little thing you say being used against you later. I'm glad you saw a lawyer. Now you know why she's his ex-girlfriend.


Yeah for sure I have also worked out he is the kind of guy who will drag you down if it means saving himself and will go to any length to do it. He has even recorded part of a conversation (without my knowledge) and is allegedly keeping it presumably because he thinks he can use it against me if it came to court.



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19 Nov 2009, 6:35 am

When all this started do you remember feeling some hesitation about playing a prank on this woman? If you did, learn to pay attention to that feeling. As you know now, this was beyond harmless and was serious harassment. I myself don't always see the unintended consequences but he seems to be the kind of guy who's always thinking several steps ahead. What a creep.


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19 Nov 2009, 6:40 am

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When all this started do you remember feeling some hesitation about playing a prank on this woman? If you did, learn to pay attention to that feeling. As you know now, this was beyond harmless and was serious harassment. I myself don't always see the unintended consequences but he seems to be the kind of guy who's always thinking several steps ahead. What a creep.


Yes I did I thought so far as that it would annoy her but beyond that no. Yes he is a crook and a creep totally shifty and unfortunately as he keeps reminding me he doesn't get caught I wish he would though. I think he gets enjoyment out of doing the wrong thing be it stealing, break and enter, harassment or whatever. I on the other hand don't yeah it seemed funny at the time but it isn't but despite what he says I am small time he is into serious stuff. I agree with the above post too it is like i cant say anything without it being used agasinst me.



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19 Nov 2009, 6:48 am

I have physical feelings of anxiety around people like that. At least after I know what kind of person they really are.


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19 Nov 2009, 6:52 am

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I have physical feelings of anxiety around people like that. At least after I know what kind of person they really are.
I wish I did the most sad part is that it means things are now gonig to be uncomfortable with James and another neighbour Mary-Ann all because he has gone around doing what he has.



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19 Nov 2009, 6:54 am

Well, I wish you the best. I have to go to work.


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19 Nov 2009, 8:16 am

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Well, I wish you the best. I have to go to work.


Thanks I think all I can do is avoid him I wont be going to his place to sort it out I have nothing to sort I am not lying I know what happened and until he lets it go thats how it will be.



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19 Nov 2009, 9:19 am

Woah Catster,

I can understand your predicament and I think you need to be as far away from this creep as you can get. He seems bad news to me and not a good person for you to be friends with at all,especially with the difficulties you have described. Is it feasable for you to move out of the area, because it seems this guy has the potential to do you some real harm, if he has not already...............

I have a good efriend who does legal advocacy for ASDains in small town NSW. She sees plenty of ASDians go to jail for much lesser crimes that you have described here. She also says that in her experience ASDians in the legal system generally come off worse than an NT would for the same sorts of crimes. Please for your own sake you cannot afford to think of this as small time stuff, to us this creep obviously led you astray, however if it comes down to his cunning versus your truth who do you think is going to come out on top? This is serious and you are not above the law just because you are ASDian.


I also have to take issue with you calling this guy a typical Aussie. I am happy to call myself and most of the people I know typical Aussies and none of us are anything like this looser.



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19 Nov 2009, 9:41 am

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Woah Catster,

I can understand your predicament and I think you need to be as far away from this creep as you can get. He seems bad news to me and not a good person for you to be friends with at all,especially with the difficulties you have described. Is it feasable for you to move out of the area, because it seems this guy has the potential to do you some real harm, if he has not already...............

I have a good efriend who does legal advocacy for ASDains in small town NSW. She sees plenty of ASDians go to jail for much lesser crimes that you have described here. She also says that in her experience ASDians in the legal system generally come off worse than an NT would for the same sorts of crimes. Please for your own sake you cannot afford to think of this as small time stuff, to us this creep obviously led you astray, however if it comes down to his cunning versus your truth who do you think is going to come out on top? This is serious and you are not above the law just because you are ASDian.


I also have to take issue with you calling this guy a typical Aussie. I am happy to call myself and most of the people I know typical Aussies and none of us are anything like this looser.


Yeah sorry about the "Typical aussie" I guess what I meant was a typical bogan lol both James and Michael are they are from "lower class" backgrounds and grew up in rough areas. Yeah some of it is serious the ads were stupid and potentially dangerous but I guess what I am saying is that all of Michael's crimes are serious compared to the few minor things I did bar the ads (they could have been serious). You are so right he is definitely the type of guy who would drag me down and manage to get himself out of it despite being the ringleader so to speak. To be honest when he says he would make me look bad I think he would if he could get out of it, he would do anything to save himself. That being said he keeps going on about suing the lifeline counselor who told me to write the letter and leave myself out of it that is simple common sense and despite what he says he would have no chance. I however am upset she gave me that advice it was clearly gonig to make things worse even though I understand why she did it.



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19 Nov 2009, 7:59 pm

I am afraid that even if I move areas which I might if the right job came along I will get involved in a similar situation or could potentially my lack of understanding wider consequences and of judging people causes me to get involved in this every now and again. I want to be able to have a conversation without my every word being analyzed. He came around today and like often happens things seem OK for now but I don't think they ever will be entirely they cant be with a guy like that James doesn't help though it is clear he likes gossuping as well. I regret repeating things though it only makes matters worse I am going to try hard to keep it to myself even if they do say something about someone else. Also I will definitely be keeping space as much as possible it makes it easier.