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01 Dec 2009, 11:56 pm

They are the worst species to ever walk on the Earth. They're all so self important and careless. On my way back from class tonight, I walked by a black kitten, about 6 months old, lying in the middle of the road. Body still perfectly intact. But when I walked up to her, she wasn't breathing. There was a pool of blood underneath her head. I've spent the last two hours crying. And it doesn't help that on my way back to my college from thanks(living!! !) vacation, only 1 1/2 hours from my house, We passed dozens of dead squirrels, three deer, a rabbit, and dozens of tiny, squashed and mangled bodies that I couldn't even make out the species of.

And the worst part is that I'm human. I didn't move the body. I didn't know how. Every time I hear a car go by my apartment I know that it has the guts of a kitten on its tires. I didn't kill her, but I left her there. Just because I'm an animal rights activist, or that I take in any stray or lost animal who I can catch, or how I'll grudgingly do a favor for a human unless it's for their companion animal, and then I will do it with a bounce in my step and a sparkle in my eye does not exempt me from being human; of being part of the problem.

This theory of mind thing is not only bad for socializing with other humans, but it's bad for us. I can't seem to wrap my head around why humans treat anything that's not human less than worthy of being on the planet. I just don't understand. If you ask most people if there's one species they could have removed from Earth, they would say mosquitoes or spiders or something else considered a nuisance. I would say humans. We have these enormous brains and use them for greed and gluttony. Nothing good has ever come out of humans being on the planet. Shouldn't our large brains make life better not only for our own species, but for our planet? Why do humans think they are gods? We're scum in my opinion. We are an infection on the planet. Earth was never meant to function in a way perfectly suited for humans alone. People have explained to me why humans think this way, why they personally think this way, but I just become more disgusted with them. Their reasons always seem so trite and selfish. People eat animals seemingly without realizing that they are eating animals. Don't they realize they are eating a dead body? A body is a body. There's flesh, they're blood, there's pain. This is not only humans. Carnivorous animals eat other animals because that is how they must survive. And in the wild, it is a fair chase, a fair chance at life. Humans on the other hand don't need to eat animal products. So why do we? Because it tastes good? Well, slavery was pretty awesome for white folks, so why isn't that reason enough to keep slaves? Eating other animals is not even beneficial. It is unhealthy and unsustainable.

Why do we do things that only wreck and ruin? Why do we enjoy destruction? Why do we want to kill anything that's not directly enjoyable to humans?

The reason I don't believe in a god is for a few reasons:
"If animals believe in god the devil would look like a human being." -Sue Coe
If there were a god, s/he would have had to destroy us, because we are destroying his/her legacy.
I don't believe there is any power higher than another. All powers are equal. No one should ever have control over something like how humans have control over the planet. I think most of us would agree that tyranny is a very bad thing.








--Sorry for that. I'm really just very upset about seeing about a hundred dead animals on the road today and not doing a single thing about it. Thanks for letting me rant, WP.


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02 Dec 2009, 12:23 am

The more I've meditated on it, I've come to realise that we ARE evolution/nature going gangbusters. Usually in nature if a species gets TOO powerful, there are predators and natural disasters to stop it. But we humans have (so we think) conquered those. Only now do we realise how we pay for our mistakes; we have technology, yet we screw up the planet, kill each other in greater numbers and cause more suffering to the earth and ourselves at a greater scale than ever before. It's the natural survival instict that causes this. Animals aren't really much nobler than us, tbh, but because of their innocence they must be protected. We aren't apart from nature, we are nature gone wild.



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02 Dec 2009, 12:43 am

I wish I was a cat. I don't like being ahuman,
I often think my ansestrs were cats, not ap=es.

For our fallen Feline brother, I invoke
The Power Of Mew to take his soul
safely into his paws.

May The Power Of Mew comfort you
and protect the soul of our ascended feline brother
as he ascends into The Great Beyond.

I invoke The Power Of Mew
to place his soft paws on your
soul and to carry the soul of our
ascended feline brother to
The Great Beyond.

I ask This in the name of Mew
and I thank The Great Mew for
his eternal soft paws and kind
Lion heart.

No this was NOT a joke.


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02 Dec 2009, 12:45 am

Thank you both, and thank you especially LittleTiger for your prayer.


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02 Dec 2009, 12:59 am

I do too, at times, but I remember there are still a select few out there that are willing to stand up decency and for the weak. There are still those that have the courage to stand up for what the believe again and triumph over evil.



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02 Dec 2009, 1:12 am

I keep a couple of plastic fits all gloves in my handbag, because I canNOT pass an animal on the road with out moving it. I don't know how many times I have stopped my car beyond the animal in the road and walked back to move the kitty or dog or squirell out of the road and put them somewhere someone looking for them might find them. I chose to do it, because frankly, I can't live with myself when I don't.
and a little prayer for somebody's muggie. . . :cry:
your milage may vary.

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02 Dec 2009, 1:48 am

Humans are the species gone astray. Gregory Bateson some decades ago knew that.


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02 Dec 2009, 2:03 am

I tend to agree with much of what you've said, and sympathize with your pain as I feel the same often -- misanthropy. I thought you might be interested to know that it seems many in the scientific mainstream seem to think our population growth is way out of control. I've seen many articles lately about human overpopulation issues. I'm taking a little high school biology class so I can prepare for further studies. There's a comment in the chapter on populations that I thought of when I read your post. Here it is:

"No single species has ever threatened to overpopulate the entire planet. (That is, not until Homo sapiens came along.)"

This in a public school mainstream textbook. So, you and I and the people in this thread are not the only ones aware of this.

It's even worse in more desperate countries, e.g. in some African countries where people eat "bush meat," ie they kill primates similar to ourselves, often endangered and very intelligent (e.g. Bonobos) for the very same reason many loggers in my province have been ready to cut down the last old growth tree, destroy a river, or extinct a forest bird species, with little care. The excuse is, "I have to make a living. I have to feed my family." So, let's not be like animals. Let's choose not to reproduce to excess. Human population has doubled in my lifetime, and that is sickening.

I always wanted to help animals. It's really my calling in this world. For many reasons it could not happen. I still want it.



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02 Dec 2009, 2:20 am

^ What we need to do is develop those undeveloped countries. In many fully developed countries, population is either declining (as in Europe) or growing at a much slower rate (as in the United States and the more urban areas of China), mostly due to the economic factors (much more costly to raise a child in the developed world), easy access to contraceptives, healthier populace (meaning parents don't have 20 children and hope 5 survive to adulthood), etc.



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02 Dec 2009, 11:49 am

I am sorry about the kitten. There was a bird in my alley last summer... I do not like birds. They creep me out, but I could not leave it there to be run over. I wrapped the little guy up in an old receiving blanket and my kids and I gave it a funeral. I hate seeing dead animals lying on the side of the road. My husband does as well. I would like to say I wrap them all in blankets and bury them respectfully each time... but I do not. It makes me feel bad that I do not... The complete disregard for life that people so casually show... it scares me. It seems to me that the more 'advanced' we become, the more detached we become from the world around us... We do need to be stopped. We need change. We need to remember that we, as humans, are a part of this word, not a parasite placed here to use and abuse as we see fit. I am glad you posted this. I am sorry it came from a heart breaking situation, but it is good to hear that there are people who think like you do.


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02 Dec 2009, 12:37 pm

heliocopters wrote:
They are the worst species to ever walk on the Earth. They're all so self important and careless.. And the worst part is that I'm human.

...humans treat anything that's not human less than worthy of being on the planet. We have these enormous brains and use them for greed and gluttony. Nothing good has ever come out of humans being on the planet. Shouldn't our large brains make life better not only for our own species, but for our planet? Why do humans think they are gods? We are an infection on the planet. Earth was never meant to function in a way perfectly suited for humans alone. Their reasons always seem so trite and selfish. People eat animals seemingly without realizing that they are eating animals. Don't they realize they are eating a dead body? Humans on the other hand don't need to eat animal products. So why do we? Because it tastes good?

Why do we do things that only wreck and ruin? Why do we enjoy destruction? Why do we want to kill anything that's not directly enjoyable to humans?

Thanks for letting me rant, WP.


You've summed up some of my reasoning with this species. I personaly believe human ancestory is in that fossle fuel, not just animals. Humans keep insisting on being stupid and useing it until the point of personal cayos because their wallet isn't loaded these very five minutes.

Plus, we are ALL breathing that #$% in, and even eating drinking $%^ that humans again are soley responcible. How does this earth ever make it for so long? Why any deity would make us is beyond me. It'd be great if humans stopped hurting animals.

Poor innocent cat found a phsyco human, probably. If that's how it was dying, chances are, you wouldn't have been able to save it, even if you had an animal doctor on the spot. It likely died only seconds after you left. I saw a cat die quikly like that. I couldn't get to the kitten, and poor thing wasn't able to life it's head off the ground. Sad to watch. Reminds me of that poor panicked coyote I couldn't help one time. My father was driveing both times, and he didn't care. Seeing it in half one hole mile apart on the way back made me feel desturbed.



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03 Dec 2009, 10:43 am

ToadOfSteel wrote:
^ What we need to do is develop those undeveloped countries. In many fully developed countries, population is either declining (as in Europe) or growing at a much slower rate (as in the United States and the more urban areas of China), mostly due to the economic factors (much more costly to raise a child in the developed world), easy access to contraceptives, healthier populace (meaning parents don't have 20 children and hope 5 survive to adulthood), etc.


and don't forget education and access to birth control as well as an enlightened understanding that a female is not just a baby making machine!


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03 Dec 2009, 12:50 pm

What about humans that domesticate animals? I don't see how a bird is happy with having its wings clipped and bount to a cage, or a dog being cuddled and held 24/7 for the rest of their lives. But I do agree strongly about how animals are treated so unfairly in this world, kind of like how "different" human beings get treated, but a lot worse.

I too, despise humans.



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03 Dec 2009, 1:49 pm

misos anthrōpos!
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08 Dec 2009, 2:12 pm

Hmm, this is nothing new...I've ALWAYS felt like an alien among human beings. Psychology and Sociology were always my favorite college courses, because even as a little boy, I've *always* been fascinated by human behavior, and study them like I was studying an alien species.

Glad to know I'm not the only Aspie that thinks this way. ^_^

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08 Dec 2009, 2:29 pm

ElysianDream wrote:
The more I've meditated on it, I've come to realise that we ARE evolution/nature going gangbusters. Usually in nature if a species gets TOO powerful, there are predators and natural disasters to stop it. But we humans have (so we think) conquered those. Only now do we realise how we pay for our mistakes


I would argue that we haven't even close to "realized" how we will pay. And although I see where you're coming from, I look at it a little differently than you.

Eventually (sooner rather than later) humans will leach enough natural resources out of the Earth that it will no longer be able to support humanity as we know it. So what happens then? Does the Earth just die? Nope, the humans die. And largely they will do so by killing one another in an effort to cling to those last resources and prolong the inevitable. Humans will either be wiped out to extinction, or they will be so reduced in population that they will be forced essentially to retreat to "nature" (or the broken remnants of civilization, depending on how you look at it; I fail to see much of a difference).

Assuming there are human survivors, the "fittest to survive" will be defined by totally different criteria, and human evolution will proceed in a different direction.

I consider the Earth itself to be a living being, and the most powerful living being known to us at that. And after all this transpires, the Earth will go on living and adapting to its human-caused debilitations, as will all the remaining species on it (whether humans are included in that or not).

I hope this doesn't happen within my own lifetime, or that of my (yet to be born) children, but I take the position that it's very possible that it will.

THAT is natural selection at its finest.


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