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17 Dec 2010, 7:00 pm

Last week I had enough and attempted suicide with my belt on a tree. My belt was too short because the branches were too thick and took too much girth ....and so I failed because it wouldnt hold when I repeatedly tried. I was found by my uncle who is a cop, all of his police buddies who helped and my family. It was humiliating, I didnt want that attention...I felt unworthy of such care and just wanted it to stop. MY uncles cop buddy consoled me and was telling me the usual, "your young, its going to be fine- when i was your age i had my own problems blah blah" but it had no impact on me because I know he was not dealing with the same problems like not being able to connect with people, bad conversation skills, abruptness, being made fun of at age 20, having borderline personality disorder, gender issues (I feel like a woman in a mans body, but I still like women)....dropping out of university, one girlfriend that wasnt a deep relationship and being thought of as a stalker.

The last one is what drove me to attempting suicide, I'm no stalker and never will be. Sure, i'll have a crush on a girl, sometimes almost obsessive when Im friends with her and spend time with her but I would never follow her around.

However, some egotistical sorority girl or girls who lived two units down from me in my last apt decided it would be appropriate to call me a stalker becasue I happened to be in the same classes ( i think) and apparently was walking near or behind her or them on or by campus. Living in the same apartment and possibly being in the same classes would make it very normal or acceptable for me to be walking on the same pathways, or being int he library at the same times wouldnt you all agree? I dont think its strange at all to head to the library or head home after having the same classes, it just means id be walking on the same pathways a lot. I think it has a lot to do with racism, I'm Asian-American, i probably have AS as I relate to most things written here and have depression and borderline perosnality disorder. Because im depressed and am more prone to my BPD mood swings and anger, I was very aloof and curt with ppl I knew and didnt even acknowledge other people I wasnt friends with. That meant not saying hi, greeting them or saying anything at all most of the time, i was almost mute around everyone including those neighbor girls. I guess they took me not saying anything to them as a threat, my flat facial expression as a threat (yes I can see that being scary), and the fact that I'm not white in a VERY white state (Oregon) plus that whole Virginia Tech killer guy thing. I've heard them or their friends discussing that I might crack and attack them with a weapon, or that maybe ill rape the girl in question....wtf, that just hurt me so bad to be thought of in that way and I withdrew more into myself and now have trouble speaking. Many of my sentences are very short , to the point and expresses nothing more than exactly the bare minimum of what im trying to express.

I think they ended up going to the property management or police and had hidden cameras placed into my room or my stuff because I heard the neighbors constantly commenting on thigns I did AS I DID THEM. at first i thought maybe im just hearing things out of context, but no...it was real and im not delusional which i thought i was. For example, how would they say "he eats the same thing every day" or "hes always touching his hair" (stimming), "all he does is eat, sleep, play Halo and is on his computer" unless they were watching me..and I wasnt hearing whispering, it was full on conversations or just words they would say loudly like "CREEPY!!" as I ahem, was masturbating in my room (whats so creepy about doing that in my own room behind closed doors). I do admit that I had like 8 fake facebook profiles to be able to post on Borderline Perosnality Disorder forums (not be seen by FB friends) and sometimes, its f*cked up but I would write on my own wall, to boost my own self esteem. Yes that is creepy, but I knew it was fake and not real nor did I use it to spy on people- I added friends to make them seem more legit, not to spy on those ppl I added....But again, those neighbors of mine found out and knew that I had those fake profiles and wrote on my wall- how would they know that unless they actually had cameras in my room and apartment? ive deleted those and will never do that again.

Ive moved back to Hawaii and either my hyper vigilance of detecting ppl talking badly abut me came with me or its real and ppl here are also monitoring me thru the hidden camera in my stuff....or maybe the cops placed cameras in my home because they think im a actual threat. i dont know but I can hear the ppl across the way saying things like "he never leaves his room, he watches TV all day, hes always on facebook (not true at all but thats prob what it tlooks like with me sitting here on WP from the camera view)....i feel watched at all times and just am hyper vigilant about voices and my stress is off the charts.

there doesnt seem to be any hope and if I am actually being watched by police/neighbors my life is screwed anyway.



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17 Dec 2010, 7:13 pm

Hey TangoMike

I'm half Korean. I am going to be 33 at the end of the year. I have depression, anxiety, aspergers and learning disability. I have always been made fun of since I started school. I don't have any friends and some of my co workers are so mean to me. I am grateful that I managed to finish high school and have a college degree. I am lonely too. I have thought of taking my own life, but I couldn't harm myself. I have thought of ways to end it. Sometimes I want to die of cancer. No one deserves to be made fun of every single day especially people with disabilities. I have had crushes on guys in high school and they never was interested. It hurt a lot. I don't have borderline personality disorder but do know of a young lady who is my age that suffers from it. She doesn't have aspergers though. Actually she got all A's while me and her were in the music dept in college. The professors adored her. Life for her was easy. So I don't know why she has borderline personality disorder. She has tried to take her own life in so many ways and has been in the hospital many times.

I'm sorry that you are feeling sad too. I am sad most days.


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17 Dec 2010, 7:25 pm

I'm sorry to read the stuff about your roommates.

Sometimes I tend to be paranoid too. Some weeks ago a neighbour of mine asked me about a young man she had seen with me. I wondered how she could know about it. She doesn't have a door-viewer, no one does ... and I only met her in the house at this special time and about 1,5 years before.
So I think she just listened for the sounds. The house in which I live is quite clairaudient.

Maybe your roommates did so too? Or they had just a fruitful imagination of your personal life?

I'm also bad at accepting negative things said about me so I can't give you much advice (actually such facts tend to cycle in my head for weeks or months, changing their faces until I've forgotten the real message).
Try to get a little more self-confident. You're a handsome young man (at least on the photograph ;)) and you have reached some goals so far, otherwise you wouldn't attend university. Why should you bother about what other people say? Probably they're just compensating their own little self-confidence.

Have a nice time at Hawaii!



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17 Dec 2010, 7:26 pm

I'm sorry to hear about all the bad experiences you've been going through.

When you tried to kill yourself did anybody suggest you speak to a professional about your problems? If so, what did you do? It sounds like you have a lot of things to deal with and I'm just thinking of ways to begin improving your situation. I think it is important that you find somebody you can trust who understands your problems and can help you try and work through them.



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17 Dec 2010, 7:53 pm

tangomike wrote:
Last week I had enough and attempted suicide with my belt on a tree. My belt was too short because the branches were too thick and took too much girth ....and so I failed because it wouldnt hold when I repeatedly tried. I was found by my uncle who is a cop, all of his police buddies who helped and my family. It was humiliating, I didnt want that attention...I felt unworthy of such care and just wanted it to stop. MY uncles cop buddy consoled me and was telling me the usual, "your young, its going to be fine- when i was your age i had my own problems blah blah" but it had no impact on me because I know he was not dealing with the same problems like not being able to connect with people, bad conversation skills, abruptness, being made fun of at age 20, having borderline personality disorder, gender issues (I feel like a woman in a mans body, but I still like women)....dropping out of university, one girlfriend that wasnt a deep relationship and being thought of as a stalker.

The last one is what drove me to attempting suicide, I'm no stalker and never will be. Sure, i'll have a crush on a girl, sometimes almost obsessive when Im friends with her and spend time with her but I would never follow her around.

However, some egotistical sorority girl or girls who lived two units down from me in my last apt decided it would be appropriate to call me a stalker becasue I happened to be in the same classes ( i think) and apparently was walking near or behind her or them on or by campus. Living in the same apartment and possibly being in the same classes would make it very normal or acceptable for me to be walking on the same pathways, or being int he library at the same times wouldnt you all agree? I dont think its strange at all to head to the library or head home after having the same classes, it just means id be walking on the same pathways a lot. I think it has a lot to do with racism, I'm Asian-American, i probably have AS as I relate to most things written here and have depression and borderline perosnality disorder. Because im depressed and am more prone to my BPD mood swings and anger, I was very aloof and curt with ppl I knew and didnt even acknowledge other people I wasnt friends with. That meant not saying hi, greeting them or saying anything at all most of the time, i was almost mute around everyone including those neighbor girls. I guess they took me not saying anything to them as a threat, my flat facial expression as a threat (yes I can see that being scary), and the fact that I'm not white in a VERY white state (Oregon) plus that whole Virginia Tech killer guy thing. I've heard them or their friends discussing that I might crack and attack them with a weapon, or that maybe ill rape the girl in question....wtf, that just hurt me so bad to be thought of in that way and I withdrew more into myself and now have trouble speaking. Many of my sentences are very short , to the point and expresses nothing more than exactly the bare minimum of what im trying to express.

I think they ended up going to the property management or police and had hidden cameras placed into my room or my stuff because I heard the neighbors constantly commenting on thigns I did AS I DID THEM. at first i thought maybe im just hearing things out of context, but no...it was real and im not delusional which i thought i was. For example, how would they say "he eats the same thing every day" or "hes always touching his hair" (stimming), "all he does is eat, sleep, play Halo and is on his computer" unless they were watching me..and I wasnt hearing whispering, it was full on conversations or just words they would say loudly like "CREEPY!!" as I ahem, was masturbating in my room (whats so creepy about doing that in my own room behind closed doors). I do admit that I had like 8 fake facebook profiles to be able to post on Borderline Perosnality Disorder forums (not be seen by FB friends) and sometimes, its f*cked up but I would write on my own wall, to boost my own self esteem. Yes that is creepy, but I knew it was fake and not real nor did I use it to spy on people- I added friends to make them seem more legit, not to spy on those ppl I added....But again, those neighbors of mine found out and knew that I had those fake profiles and wrote on my wall- how would they know that unless they actually had cameras in my room and apartment? ive deleted those and will never do that again.

Ive moved back to Hawaii and either my hyper vigilance of detecting ppl talking badly abut me came with me or its real and ppl here are also monitoring me thru the hidden camera in my stuff....or maybe the cops placed cameras in my home because they think im a actual threat. i dont know but I can hear the ppl across the way saying things like "he never leaves his room, he watches TV all day, hes always on facebook (not true at all but thats prob what it tlooks like with me sitting here on WP from the camera view)....i feel watched at all times and just am hyper vigilant about voices and my stress is off the charts.

there doesnt seem to be any hope and if I am actually being watched by police/neighbors my life is screwed anyway.


Hello TangoMike:

I have a few things to say. First, on the topic of you being Asian...I'm white. I went to school with a lot of Asian Americans, and one thing which always struck me is odd, is how preoccupied Asian Americans were with being Asian. I read an article once by an Asian American author and he concluded that white Americans accept Asian Americans as honorary whites. I think this sounds absolutely horrible and racist (he said it, not me), but I would have to agree with him. As a white person, I've heard other white people talk of prejudices against black people, latinos, Indians, Native American Indians, but rarely Asian Americans. If they do comment in a negative manner on Asians, it tends to be Asians from Asia. So I've always been very perplexed as to why Asian Americans get this sense of uneasiness about their Asianess, or whatever you want to call it.

Concerning these girls. They may indeed think you are kind of weird and they may indeed talk about you....or rather, speculate about your weirdness. Girls/women tend to be sensitive to people who are a little different than the rest, and there are evolutionary reasons for this. Girls with AS or other social issues are also subject to being deemed as weird, creepy, and so on, by other girls/women. I know this can be particularly upsetting if you actually are a nice, non-dangerous person but these girls probably probably really talk about most people who aren't just like them a lot, and you should take security in knowing you are not the person they might speculate you are. I've had incidences where it took a while for a neighbor to stop being afraid of me. Part of that has to do with their own social insecurities though. I just shrug it off now.

Since you have BPD, I think you always need to be aware of the fact that when you feel very strong emotions, it is lilely the BPD, and you should talk yourself through waiting until they pass, rather than decide to act on them. If you are feeling suicidal at 3pm, you need to keep in mind that you might not feel that way at 3:30pm, and by 5pm you might be quite happy. You just need to tell yourself that your anger, or negative emotions will pass and should wait until they do to address the actual problem. When you find yourself particularly obsessed with someone, you should keep in mind that your perception of them is based largely on your own speculations, and may not be entirely accurate.

As a rule, the police generally do not install cameras in people's houses. They are limited by federal rules what type of surveillance they can and can't do, and most surveillance is done by the FBI, which tends to use GPS devices and wiretaps instead of cameras. Police generally do not act on complaints filed against individuals. The purpose of the filing is so they have on record that this person has been a problem, and that information may be taken into account if the person does do something overtly illegal. The police would not install cameras in your house simply because some girls complained about you.

I think it's unlikely the girls installed a camera in your house, because girls generally don't want anything to do with guys they consider creepy, nor do they generally have the know how or desire to do these things. One option you might consider is that these girls just talk a lot about other people. Perhaps they consider a lot of different guys creepy, and you are just hearing them talking about all of these people, not just you.

The borderline in BPD means borderline psychotic because people with BPD tend to experience bouts nearing paranoia when upset or when they feel threatened by an individual or gorup of people. You can theoretically drive anyone to this point, however, since people with BPD experience emotions much more strongly than the rest of the population, they reach it much sooner.



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17 Dec 2010, 9:24 pm

TangoMike, your only 20, people like us take a lot longer to sort ourselves out, our behaviour, how to cope with feelings etc, I remember who hard it was when I was your age.
But as you go through life, you will learn the appropriate way to act and behave and feel about things, it really does get a lot better, an dyou end up a deeper person that all these shallow people that are giving you grief, lifes been so easy for them that they connot comprehend anyone being the slightest bit differant from them.

So dont try and end your life, doing that wont make life any better for you, more likely those shallow people around you will feel justified in thier behaviour towards you.
Carry on living, you will become proud of yourself as you see yourself rise to levels that you didnt think was in you, and theres plenty of things in life to see and enjoy on the way.



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17 Dec 2010, 9:57 pm

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I have a few things to say. First, on the topic of you being Asian...I'm white. I went to school with a lot of Asian Americans, and one thing which always struck me is odd, is how preoccupied Asian Americans were with being Asian. I read an article once by an Asian American author and he concluded that white Americans accept Asian Americans as honorary whites. I think this sounds absolutely horrible and racist (he said it, not me), but I would have to agree with him. As a white person, I've heard other white people talk of prejudices against black people, latinos, Indians, Native American Indians, but rarely Asian Americans. If they do comment in a negative manner on Asians, it tends to be Asians from Asia. So I've always been very perplexed as to why Asian Americans get this sense of uneasiness about their Asianess, or whatever you want to call it.


Because it's racist?

I've never understood why Asians are always told that they should appreciate all the positive comments that white people have of them. If there's anything more annoying than being treated as a foreigner no matter what you do, it's being treated as a foreigner no matter what you do AND being treated like you don't know any better.

By the way, I am from Asia. I don't appreciate all the negative comments about non-American Asians either.



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17 Dec 2010, 10:08 pm

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Chronos wrote:
I have a few things to say. First, on the topic of you being Asian...I'm white. I went to school with a lot of Asian Americans, and one thing which always struck me is odd, is how preoccupied Asian Americans were with being Asian. I read an article once by an Asian American author and he concluded that white Americans accept Asian Americans as honorary whites. I think this sounds absolutely horrible and racist (he said it, not me), but I would have to agree with him. As a white person, I've heard other white people talk of prejudices against black people, latinos, Indians, Native American Indians, but rarely Asian Americans. If they do comment in a negative manner on Asians, it tends to be Asians from Asia. So I've always been very perplexed as to why Asian Americans get this sense of uneasiness about their Asianess, or whatever you want to call it.


Because it's racist?

I've never understood why Asians are always told that they should appreciate all the positive comments that white people have of them. If there's anything more annoying than being treated as a foreigner no matter what you do, it's being treated as a foreigner no matter what you do AND being treated like you don't know any better.

By the way, I am from Asia. I don't appreciate all the negative comments about non-American Asians either.


No one is hating anyone here.

The poster was stating his insecurities as an Asian American surrounded by white Americans and I was stating my observations, which are, white Americans generally don't think about it.

Just because a topic is on race, or acknowledges racism, doesn't make it racist itself. Racism is when one feels one race is inherently better than another, or holds negative sentiments or stereotypes of an individual simply because they are of a particular race, and to that end, there is plenty of racism in the world, by individuals of every race and against individuals of every race.



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18 Dec 2010, 12:34 am

to the OP-
my mother was asian, so i consider myself asian rather than white, and will tell anybody i meet if they ask me, that i am NOT white.
this said, nobody can make you feel bad about yourself without your consent. you have just got to learn to love yourself, because you are just as much a part of God as is the rest of creation. you are not inferior to anyone else. don't let mere people get you down. bad people will continue to be bad people, so just do your best to avoid such people.
BTW, hanging is one of the worst ways to do oneself in, it hurts like hell and is messy.



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18 Dec 2010, 12:51 am

One of my friends growing up in special education he was half Korean he hated how he had wavey hair and looked nothing like his Korean cousins and had no white cousins. He constantly complained about looking different until we got to high school where the girls thought he was hot. His full Korean cousins became jealous of all the girls he was getting at least thats what he told me. I could never figure out how come he did not get picked on for being in special education like me but I guess if your very attractive people overlook your flaws. :wink:


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18 Dec 2010, 2:07 pm

Thanks everyone, you all have helped me with your support! i was in the hospital for a week and stabilized with counseling and with a mediation called Abilify. im hoping that my mood improves in the coming two weeks or so....

just some thoughts

Todesking and hesting : yeah, people do tend to overlook some of your deficiencies when you are attractive but unfortunately im not very attractive, and the girls who did find me cute or good looking usually shy away when they find out what im like after talking with me, or see my behaviors

Chronos and menintights: you mentioned that Asian Americans are consdered 'honorary whites'....Thats true to some extent because asian americans are treated better than say african americans, indians, native americas etc...but there is still racism and a sort of inferiority complex because we are just as or MORE sucessfull than whites in terms of education and income yet we are still subjected to racism, jokes and horrible portrayal on TV. I believe that while African Americans draw more heat and prejudice, its exactly that that solidifies their identity as a people. Asian Americans are able to integrate into white society better on the surface, and thats why many Asians are preoccupied with how 'asian' they are...they believe that they can 'become white' because we have done it in the surface terms. the inferiority complex comes from the fact that asian americans will never be treated like white people as a whole-they will have expensive and awesome houses and cars and send their kids to the best schools but its not the same. Your topic wasnt racist at all, you are right just because its about race doesnt mean its racist. Its more of a racial observation without any bias.



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18 Dec 2010, 2:31 pm

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Thanks everyone, you all have helped me with your support! i was in the hospital for a week and stabilized with counseling and with a mediation called Abilify. im hoping that my mood improves in the coming two weeks or so....

While I can't say with certainty whether it's true or not, the stuff about people constantly talking about you (quite unlikely) and putting hidden cameras in your room (very unlikely) are things that people with problems concerning paranoia tend to think. I really think you should find a professional who you trust and get on with to talk this stuff out with and who can give you some guidance, or those thoughts might spiral and reinforce themselves and get worse.



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I know he was not dealing with the same problems like not being able to connect with people, bad conversation skills, abruptness, being made fun of at age 20, having borderline personality disorder, gender issues (I feel like a woman in a mans body, but I still like women)....dropping out of university, one girlfriend that wasnt a deep relationship and being thought of as a stalker.

The last one is what drove me to attempting suicide, I'm no stalker and never will be. Sure, i'll have a crush on a girl, sometimes almost obsessive when Im friends with her and spend time with her but I would never follow her around.

However, some egotistical sorority girl or girls who lived two units down from me in my last apt decided it would be appropriate to call me a stalker becasue I happened to be in the same classes ( i think) and apparently was walking near or behind her or them on or by campus. Living in the same apartment and possibly being in the same classes would make it very normal or acceptable for me to be walking on the same pathways, or being int he library at the same times wouldnt you all agree?


I'm sorry.

Being labeled a stalker is terrible. There seems to be some sort of taboo about talking about it. It is next to impossible to convince people you mean no harm WHEN YOU REALLY MEAN NO HARM. Nobody believes you, they berate you, and perpetuate the stereotype. You want to commit suicide. You may even start to believe "If everyone thinks I'm a stalker, then maybe I really am a stalker." And there seems to be a taboo about even talking about stalking and obsession.

I admitted on Wrong Planet in the love and dating forum about obsession and cyberstalking. I expected that people would come out of the woodwork who could empathize and were going through the same thing. I really thought there would be people there who understood me, but instead I got completely blasted. I'm sure there are people who are accused of stalking who are afraid to talk about it in fear of being blasted.

My post is here, but let me warn you it doesn't paint a pretty picture of me. http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt145548.html By the way it sounds, you are much more innocent than me. Still, it seems that no one sees your side of the story.

I hope you feel I understand just a bit.

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19 Dec 2010, 11:39 pm

Theweirdpig:

I dont judge though you took watching someone to a different level. I never stalked anyone, it might have appeared that way to others when I showed up or was at the same place as this gir/or girls, but if so it was by chance....not to mention I had a friend with me at those times.

thanks for your response....its horribe being called a stalker-it feels like a knife in my chest because id never do that. yes, I look at some girls and guys profiles and their pictures, whether i know them or not but its not to stalk them. im just a curious person is all, I feel like a cat sometimes- always peering around and observing. anything i see I take it at face value, but i guess other ppl dont take things at face value and so me looking at ppls facebooks counts as stalking to them.



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19 Dec 2010, 11:40 pm

Theweirdpig:

I dont judge though you took watching someone to a different level. I never stalked anyone, it might have appeared that way to others when I showed up or was at the same place as this gir/or girls, but if so it was by chance....not to mention I had a friend with me at those times.

thanks for your response....its horribe being called a stalker-it feels like a knife in my chest because id never do that. yes, I look at some girls and guys profiles and their pictures, whether i know them or not but its not to stalk them. im just a curious person is all, I feel like a cat sometimes- always peering around and observing. anything i see I take it at face value, but i guess other ppl dont take things at face value and so me looking at ppls facebooks counts as stalking to them.