Why do people think the future of society will be better?

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27 Apr 2018, 9:16 pm

Why is it that people in most places and forums only say that the future will be so much better than the way the world is today? I don't even really think we are necessarily "better off" than in previous times during the 20th century, if not even a little worse.

Let's see the trends present and future (oh, and because some things may be better today doesn't make up sh*t in the long run):
- People are unhealthy, overweight, or not moving around as much as they did in the past, and thin/average or healthy people (at least in today's terms) might eventually go down to under 10%. Even if that sounds extreme, I don't see how it will reverse and it's not going away soon.
- The "gendered" system gap in life because of an over-focus on women's issues (at the expense of measurements of men): sometimes doesn't exactly sound like we achieved true gender "equality"
- Industry jobs going away, the growth of places in the south, and say the northeast or Great Lakes is practically a zero-sum now. I hate to admit this, but industry might be the only way that these places thrived and can't be compensated by any other kind of "replacement".
- The government is becoming even more regulating and restricting and we could be marching closer to a 1984-type world

I would've listed a couple more, too. I just want to live what it was like when my parents/grand-parents were growing up. Also, my parents and maybe grandparents too were kids in a household of more than 4, I have only known 1 sibling. I feel like it's one of the things feeding into loneliness and isolation sometimes. I wish I can see something like those simpler times one day, and the tipping point of what I mentioned above didn't even arrive yet.

I don't have an urge to kill myself, but I don't really want to live through seeing these things. I'm a young millennial on 26. Maybe the sooner things end here (non-violently), the better.

I don't know! :evil:



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28 Apr 2018, 4:04 am

I think it might be more of a matter of hope than belief. I think many don't really believe that no matter what happens things will get better, but they certainly hope so. Telling themselves that things will eventually get better, even if they realize that might not be the case, gives them hope and strenght to carry on through the hard times.

There are also a lot of people who don't belive things will get better. Last week I read this article and survey about the birth rate getting lower and one of the reasons people listed were that they chose not to have children because they think the kids wouldn't have a good future in this world with the direction it was going (other reasons included things like people getting their first children at older age than before and so the amount of children one couple can get has gotten lower, some can't find a partner they find to be suitable to be a parent, some couldn't get kids despite trying and some didn't even want them. Some also want to have children, but keep pushing the idea further in to the future because of the uncertainity of if they can afford it or not. In fact, the most common reason was that the people couldn't afford to raise a child or could only afford raising one.)



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28 Apr 2018, 6:30 am

Better for whom? It'll surely be better for the winners. And they're the ones who will write history.


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28 Apr 2018, 3:24 pm

People like to tell themselves little white lies about things like this so they don't lose their f*****g minds with worry.

There's really very little any individual can do to change the entire world around them, so, just focus on your own self & life - make the most of it, ignore the news if you can, keep yourself healthy and happy.

But yeah, in general, things are pretty messed up.. people are unhealthy, wealth is at it's greatest disparity of all time, we might face some big wars soon, and later in our lifetimes things are going to get truly scary when the climate continues to warm & change rapidly, resulting in mega storms, droughts, and climate refugees.

Still, though, all of that is going to happen whether we fret about it or not.. so, may as well make the most of your time & do the things you enjoy doing even if the world is burning all around you. Stressing yourself sick about the fact that things aren't so super rosy isn't going to make anything better & only serves to ensure you have a miserable time. So, choose to be happy instead.


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29 Apr 2018, 10:06 pm

I just wish I can ramble now. Also, I wish I can have a talk with those who are trying to detract my own thoughts in life (parents,counselor,etc). I grew up being told and believed that there is God who is in control of everything. Now, I'm tired and I don't want to accept the way things are because of "God's plan". I wish everyone, including those who believe or are religious, would accept that and identify with me instead of only encouraging me to accept it. When I die and go to see him, I hope I can have nothing but a long, very harsh talk with him.

This is what I discussed in some other threads. I want to complain to him how angry I am that I had to be here on earth just hanging in sadness with no break of success, and if he does tell me I wouldn't experience all that stuff I missed out on in heaven because everything is "so much better and we literally wouldn't need it anymore at all", then I just want to tell him I'd rather be put into oblivion and complete non-existence for eternity or that I'll only be in heaven "all by myself" and I wouldn't be seen at parties, etc.

I'm sick of getting lost on what I want to say because people are trying to "one-up" my argument. If nobody can identify with me, including those who raised me, than I see no point in continuing this life and wish God will just end it all right now, if only out of desperation. I have grown less fond of him and now see him as akin to a cruel, totalitarian dictator instead, who holds anti-materialist Marxist beliefs. I still try to find some good things about God.

I just wanted to vent and I can't stop rambling on about stuff sometimes.
I just don't see anybody identifying with how I view and feel about life.



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30 Apr 2018, 1:13 am

Trash could become an industry, there is lots of plastic waste and other kinds of waste in the oceans and lakes and rivers. The thing is products could be made from this trash plus it would also clean up the oceans, beaches, lakes and rivers. I think some industries do need to die, but I am not so naive I think those industries can just disappear without the people in them getting other opportunities to make up for it. Like I don't understand why Trump cut funding to programs to help former coal towns find prosperity through other industries and oppurtunities...even though coal is a dirty industry I do not think the workers should be just left in limbo with no employment because the coal jobs went away.

Also for all the complaints both on the left and right about the government becoming more regulating and restricting, its really not...I mean it can seem that way, but with all the social media and such governments aren't just held accountable by their own people, people all over the world criticize government decisions in countries outside their own. If anything if people learn how to use it, we could have more power than ever before to aid us in holding our government and world-governments in general accountable and checking their power.

Also I hear the Korea war is over, I say there is still hope for a positive future...main thing is morale has to be kept up in some way, because if enough people despair than all hope is lost.


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30 Apr 2018, 8:40 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Trash could become an industry, there is lots of plastic waste and other kinds of waste in the oceans and lakes and rivers. The thing is products could be made from this trash plus it would also clean up the oceans, beaches, lakes and rivers. I think some industries do need to die, but I am not so naive I think those industries can just disappear without the people in them getting other opportunities to make up for it. Like I don't understand why Trump cut funding to programs to help former coal towns find prosperity through other industries and oppurtunities...even though coal is a dirty industry I do not think the workers should be just left in limbo with no employment because the coal jobs went away.

Also for all the complaints both on the left and right about the government becoming more regulating and restricting, its really not...I mean it can seem that way, but with all the social media and such governments aren't just held accountable by their own people, people all over the world criticize government decisions in countries outside their own. If anything if people learn how to use it, we could have more power than ever before to aid us in holding our government and world-governments in general accountable and checking their power.

Also I hear the Korea war is over, I say there is still hope for a positive future...main thing is morale has to be kept up in some way, because if enough people despair than all hope is lost.


I still believe that governments in the world on average has become more restricted compared to 30-50 years ago. I can understand why the government should provide some kind of safety net (but one that is right now being abused) and some other basic services, but besides that point, laws and governments have quite a bit of inefficiency, double standards, and other dirty stuff. I'll tell you that I personally believe soft substances or edibles like tobacco and marijuana shouldn't be criminalized by any government because I see it as invasive of privacy. Prostitution, ditto on that. Abortion, I'm not as sure that the on-demand procedure should be totally unrestricted.



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08 May 2018, 2:37 am

It does seem ever more like 1984. IDK, maybe cause it is too depressing to see the world as it is and just extrapolate it, because you sort of have the whole tribulation thing looming overhead. It's nicer to think in terms of a Star Trek future than a hopeless one. However, given Revelation 12:12, it might still be a ways off since there aren't self sufficient space colonies or cities in the seas yet.


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09 May 2018, 6:55 pm

I wish I could "escape" sometimes, unfortunately this society as it exists right now seems to be my only option without choice. The relative modernity of today is spread in all countries, even undeveloped or developing countries are feeling the same way to an extent. I don't think I'm a neo-Luddite, but I lean pessimistic about technology and society especially the future.

I just don't feel motivation to think of plans or goals ahead of the short-term if we are inexorably going to be replaced or rapidly changed, anyway. I don't idealize suicide, but I don't know how I'd want to live too far off 20 years from now. I think it's sort of a dilemma.



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