willem wrote:
As you suggest by asking many questions about it, this is a very complex issue. You're not saying why you have been called "bad" -- I'm just guessing it is because people feel you're hurting them. I think what most complicates this issue when it pertains to interactions between autistics and nonautistics is that they and we have completely different sensitivities, i.e. what is hurtful to them is not a problem or even distinctly desirable to us (e.g. solitude and silence), and vice versa (e.g. abundant socializing and noise).
Say you have a choice between A and B. If you choose A, you don't suffer and I suffer a bit. If you choose B, you suffer a lot and I don't suffer. It would be reasonable for you to choose A then. Less total suffering. But if option A had me suffering a lot and B had you suffering only a bit, it would be bad of you to choose A over B. This would all be pretty easy to work out if everybody could make accurate estimates of everybody else's potential suffering, and then do whatever causes the least total suffering. But people, autistic and nonautistic alike, only really understand their own sensitivities.
Example you might recognize: some stranger on a bus or in a store starts chatting to me. I ignore the person. My attention, like any other part of me, is mine to give, not anyone else's to take. I think of the person as hurtful and therefore bad, because s/he took my attention, didn't respect my space and my solitude, and immodestly assumed a relationship of some sort with me, a stranger. But the person might find me hurtful and therefore "bad", because I denounced his/her "friendly intentions".
I'm not sure situations like these can ever be resolved to everybody's satisfaction, the perceptions seem too different to allow for much mutual understanding.
FUNDAMENTALLY bad... Only if you know you're causing suffering or damage and you don't care, ever. Worse if you actually enjoy causing suffering.
That's an interesting perspective.
If person A does something and finds pleasure, but it causes pain to B, then B would accuse A of being a bad person.
If person A does something else and finds pain, but it causes pleasure to B, then B wouldn't accuse A of being a "bad person", but yet person A would still be pained.
So, the reasonable choice for A is to choose between being considered a "bad person" by others or to experience ongoing pain in their life.
So, in the case where this describes the autistic, then being considered a "bad person" is really the best choice from their perspective, assuming that accusation is less painful than ongoing pain from failed socializing.
In the case the person is generally considered a fundamentally mean person, then being considered a "bad person" may be the best choice, although obviously they'd have to limit the scope of their mean activities and/or possibly find some "happy medium" between the two (Such as being a funny a**hole who humors/entertains 1-20% of the population in hurting 10% of the population.).
So, if it's merely because I'm autistic, then I'll continue being a 'bad person' although there are undoubtedly some minimum level of social skills I'll need to survive.
In the case where I'm a mean person, I'll have to limit the meanness of my activities and find a happy medium.
In the case where I'm a mean autistic person, then I guess I'm simply screwed, lol.
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